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this is the special board ofeducation meeting we're in open session it's monday may 1st 2017 so i like toget started we have a very important topic on the agenda today lookingforward to some very enthusiastic discussion and so we'll we'll see wherethe discussion and the conversation takes us todayso first item on the agenda is public

Cheatham County Board Of Education, appearances and we do have a fewspeakers and i just like to remind everyone that speaking is three minutesso please try to stay within you a lot of time and we'll start off speakingthis evening with doug keeler and delk would be followed by kt bar doug welcome

relight nope very good testing all rightthree minute starts now right terry thank you very much i'm hereto speak on behalf of mti and support of the recommendation to transition to twohmo offerings dean and ghc this recommendation was a result of manyhours of analysis and discussion with district administration and many morehours of discussion and debate among mt eyes elected member leaders for the pastthree months we believe this recommendation is the best availableoption to ensure the district employees have a continued choice of to highquality health plans while also distributing benefit savings to providemuch-needed salary increases as you all

know many current employees have notreceived a measurable pay increase since 2009 most have yet to recruit the lossof take-home pay associated with increased pension and benefit costs thepossibility of a state mandate 12% premium contribution would complicatethings further particularly for the lowest paid district employees webelieve that the benefits savings from a transition of two hmos is needed to fundsalary increases for all district employees for all district employeesthat said we also continue to have concerns for those employees currentlycovered by unity who have established meaningful relationships with theircurrent doctors and understandably

reluctant to give those up for thoseindividuals we understand from our discussions with the district thatthey're going to have options of transition of care options there's goingto be a pos point a service option available to allow them to visit nonnetwork providers subject to somewhat higher cost and we think critical tothat option is making sure that those somewhat higher costs are affordablecosts that is a practical option for people who need to have that option sowe strongly urge the district and the carriers to work to make sure that thereare affordable options for people for that point of service option areasonable transition timeline is also

necessary i think we all understand thatin order to provide employees with the time they need and the information theyneed in order to select the best plan for them and their families we've talkedwith the benefits department we've seen their plan we understand they have aplan in place to start that transition theybelieve they have time to do that right and we know that that needs to be thecase it needs to be done right it needs to be done with this minimal stress aspossible and as much opportunity for people to get questions answered to makethe right decision so while see while we support this recommendation totransition the two insurance providers

you know we also sit here fully awarethat employee morale is low and it suffers further when employees viewthese changes negatively now we believe the salary increases made possible willbe valued by people we also recognize that many of those who people with unitywill also view this as a loss let's not return here next year with similarconsiderations we remain optimistic that this board of education working with theministration in collaboration with district employees and employee reps canbuild the sort of schools where employees and students thrive and mtimembers have many ideas about this which we look forward to sharing with you inthe months ahead thank you for your

consideration thank you katiefollowed by michelle something my name is katie laden bar my husbandjosh is a custodian at crestwood otherwise he would be here himself thisis izzy my daughter i also sent an email to the board members regarding thislittle child she has a complex heart defect and we have unity so losing ouruw health providers would be a pretty big deal for this kiddo i understand shecould still see specialists if she goes to gh see but i come from a backgroundin health care and believe in collaborative care and coordinated carebetween primary care offices and

specialty care officesi think that's easier to do when you're within the same healthcare organizationi also have concerns about dean and ghc providers being able to absorb thevolume of patients that our school district has with unity right now andconcerns about the access issues that this kind of proposal would cause andthe way that would in fact impact employees especially those with complexhealth issues so i hope you will take that into consideration when you arechoosing to go to the to plan option but kiddos like this are the ones who aregoing to be impacted thank you thank you sheil

good evening i'm donna withmmsd for 20 years i'm a special education teacher in one of thedistrict's most challenging schools i'm also bilingual i'm the only specialed teacher in my school who is bilingual even though half of my school is a dliprogram for 20 years i've accepted minimal salary increases in order tokeep good health insurance many years ago i developed a serious health problemmy ghc doctors couldn't figure it out my dean doctors could not figure it outi had regular blood transfusions my doctors told me that i was in danger oforgan failure once unity became an option i saw uw physician within 10minutes she figured out exactly what was

going on with me with her continual careover the years i'm recovering and i'm living an active and normal life i havenot had a blood transfusion since the week i first met my primary uw doctortoday most of you will vote to take that doctor away from me the doctor that ilove and trust the doctor that saved my lifeunless of course i can pay the approximately 3500 dollars annually forthe pos option in exchange for taking away my doctor you might give me a raisefor a veteran teacher like me that raised is now estimated to be 1.7percent apparently the goal of all of this is tosave 3 million dollars and apparently

taking away my doctor is the only optionmost of you can come up with as most of you know i'm also on the dane countyboard and through my work on the board i know that balancing a budget on thebacks of employees is not the only optioni do realize there's a time constraint with this issue but also from my work onthe county board i know that a budget can be reworked in a matter of hours ifpeople are present that are willing to think outside the boxit takes concentrated effort but it is far from impossible i see with this thatthere are two possible solutions 1 negotiate with unity so that they bringtheir costs down and to find other areas

of the budget to cut areas that do notaffect employee benefits the first areas that come to my mind for cutting arerenting spaces like the sheraton for meetings and also sending six doylestaff to a professional development where there are eight teachers presentdelaying this vote tonight would allow for these options to be explored earliertoday i read in my school newsletter that i'm invited to a meeting on may19th to complete enrollment forms for my new health care provider when questionedabout this miss cheatham informed me that doyle staff solidified a plan foreach school just in case the vote passed i wish that i had time in my day to putso much effort into something that just

might happen i realized that this is adone deal the message was mandated and the votes were counted weeks ago one ofyou was brave enough to offer an alternative i'm devastated happy may daythank you okay that concludes our public speakersspeaking flip okay mandy good eve sorry my name is mandy malloy iam a teacher from as metropolitan school district and i am a avid supporter ofmti and i also would really one it would be wonderful to keep unity after allthese women or people who have spoken on behalf of unity i think it's vital thatwe have a relationship with our physicians with our nurses with thestaff of unity my family relies on that

i have two beautiful children behind meand let me tell you it is a gift when we can go to the doctor and then notscreaming and crying behind me saying that they don't want to go our familyphysician he is amazing and because of the possible budget cuts and losingunity i will not have him as our doctor and i've had him as long as we've beenin wisconsin which has been eight years and that has just been a real gift so iencourage you as the board members and the community members and the listenersof tonight's meeting to really take those relationships very seriouslybecause we do relationships as you know as being part of thecommunity and teachers as are vital for

our own students and our own kids andwhen i'm nicky i saw your email on in the mta facebook website and i emailedall of y'all last night in regards to that and i'm willing to hear alternativemeasures that we can keep unity i just i think it's a necessity and reallyimportant for all of us to kind of come to the table again and i realize we'vedone that weeks ago and we continue to talk about this but continue to come tothe table and listen and work it out and listen and work it out so that's all ihad to say thank you for your time how do i do okay now that concludes ourpublic speaking for tonight and so we'll move right into the main part of themeeting and that is the discussion

around healthcare benefits so june youlike to take us away yeah thanks james i like her can i do refusals before surei think that's what the new policy says it has to happen um yeah new boardpolicy and following old practices is that board members announced theirrecusal zinn why they're accusing them myfamily my wife is employed is a special education assistant with the masametropolitan school district we receive our health care through mms d andtherefore i will be recusing myself from the portion the meeting discussing thechoices of of how many providers we have there are other if that decision is madei will not be recusing from the

discussions of how that money will beallocated which would be later in the meeting so just announcing that i'msimilar to tj for the same personal discussion also we recusing myself myhusband is a bilingual resource teacher for the school district alright thankyou jim i could now take us away alright thanks i would like to invite mike berrydeirdre and rochelle to join me they're going to help we want to say a few wordsbefore we open it up for the board's discussion on as you know our specialmeeting tonight is focused on one particular aspect of our budget proposalwhich includes the recommendation to go from a three hmo model to a two hmomodel and to use the savings to further

increase salary and wages and to fund acouple of targeted compensation strategies it's unusual to ask for earlypermission but we feel the need to do so so we can get the ball rolling andensure a smooth transition i do want everyone to know and in particular someof the speakers tonight and those who have emailed me and other board membersthat we know that nothing about this has been easy or is easy changing healthinsurance plans is personal my own family is on unity we ourselves havesome complicated health issues and histories if the proposal passes we'llbe experiencing the same transition process that our employees are on i alsowant to acknowledge doug spoke to this a

little bit we've been working with emthree or three hmos our union partners all the way through which means reallyfor the last couple of years we've been having discussedabout health insurance how to make it affordable how to offer high-qualityhealth insurance for our staff as part of their compensation package of coursesince january prompted largely by the governor's budget proposal we haveentered into the conversation with a new kind of urgency as you know thegovernor's proposal requires a 12% employee premium contribution in orderto receive new state funding which our students and staff need we of coursebelieve that that proposal is

unnecessary it removes local control wecontinue to make sure our voice is heard but assuming that it's possible thatthis proposal passes we also have needed to plan and we think that the proposalwe've put on our on the table is strong we've worked incredibly hard to answerevery possible question that has come our way and to analyze this from everypossible angle since we first presented the proposal in march i just want tohighlight a few of those things as a reminder if the 12% goes through weintend to redistribute all of those savings and to sap back into salary andwages which we hope points to the value of our staff and their compensation andit is not typical of school districts in

addition we plan to use the savings fromthe three to two hmo plan to provide additional salary increases that's ontop of steps and lanes and base wage to the max and some additional compensationwhich actually means the vast majority of our staff will see increases insalary this year despite the 12% and no one will go negative because of theone-time stipend that will be given to that small number of employees it helpsus move forward immediately with a couple of targeted compensationstrategies that we've wanted to accomplish for a long timeand i think most importantly i want the board to know it does not preclude youfrom doing more on compensation later

down thethe board votes on the full budget at the end of june and there's a lot ofcareful deliberation that needs to happen between now and then and that isconsistent with the way the board has acted in previous years so with thatsaid i'm going to let your to say a little bit more about the proposal andthen what we want to do is answer some of the questions that have come up inthe last 48 hours yeah thanks jim so as jen stated our team has been working onthis health insurance proposal for the board for quite a few months ourrecommendation which was shared at last week's regular board meeting and in afollow-up memo is that the board

approves transitioning to a two hmomodel effective july 1 of 2017 and this option carries or captures three milliondollars in health insurance premiums that will be reinvested into employeecompensation the insurance plan would include gh seen ghc and dean as the twoproviders with no plan design changes and again an implementation date of july1 the savings would go towards and across the board salary lifts foremployees at a cost of a little bit more than 1.7 million dollars because we wantto remain competitive and retain our current staff it also includesincreasing the summer school hourly rate to $25 per hour because we know thatsummer school is a critical intervention

for our students many who are studentsof color and we certainly want to increase the likelihood that access toour high quality teaching staff and then finally we want to increase beginningteacher salaries to about $41,000 because we want to be sure to attractthe best teachers for our district and as jen stated there have been a fewquestions that have come in from the board in the last few days and we wantto be sure to address those before we open it up for discussionso to start off mike's going to give us some some additional insight into ourfinancial position and then rochelle is going to walk us through timing of theswitch and the support that would be

provided during the transition of careso i'll turn it over to mike okay thanks so you might think that having produceda 185 page budget proposal that you've received all we have to print or sayabout next year's budget and that's almost truewe did prepare one additional worksheet for specifically for tonight's meetingto put this health insurance and compensation discussion into a largerbudgetary context the the worksheet this one pager in case you were interested indidn't realize that we'd be presenting this copies on the table outside there'salso some copies over here i believe the board area has copies of this documentso let me walk through this and

hopefully again i won't be dressingaddressing health insurance directly but rather adjusting the overall financialsituation hopefully this will you know lead to a more informed and productivediscussion when we get to that point so here we go the sheet that you havebefore you is divided into sources and uses for next year's budget and i'll tryto walk through it and i'll point out some what i think are the key pointsalong the way the original budget starting up on line one of sources forthis year's budget started out at negative 1.6 million that's the budgetthat the board approved last june it was the preliminary budget for this yearnegative 1.6 million and then line 2 in

november the community supported areferendum for additional funding for the school district that allowed us toadd five million dollars of revenue to the current year budget on the tax levyand that flipped the budget from negative 1.6 million to positive 3 point4 million and we still ended up with a reasonably good tax rate or tax levyincrease which is two point one percent you might recall anyway that three pointfour million dollar position that we're in for this year's budget becomes thespringboard or if you will the opening position for next year's budgetand that's good because we start out next year 3.4 million dollars to thegood right then

the referendum from november of 16allows us to add five million dollars of additional revenue next yearthat brings us to eight point four million dollars of total sources if youwill for next year it's possible that the state per pupil funding for nextyear could be $200 per pupil in which case they would add five point fivemillion dollars to next year's budget bringing the total sources available tothirteen point nine million i need to point out here and this is reallycritical that that number is not guaranteed it is it is simply a numberthat the governor put out in his february budget preview and it istentative excuse the typo on tentative

we couldn't afford the extra vowel thereso we abbreviated it that number will become more solid around july 1 when thestate budget is typically published so it's in the budget but it's not solidand then finally line five all other required revenue adjustments we need tolower our expectations around medicaid around ear eight and some other stateand federal sources what we walked that back about 1.8 million and with allthose actions our total sources for next year come to 12 point 1 million dollarsand that is a positive position actually relative to some of the budgets we'vedealt with in recent years and it's positive mostly due to the support ofthe community so that's part one part

two the uses of those budget dollars solet's walk the uses meaning the expenditure line items in the budget thefirst one are the priority actions page 25 of your budget proposal it's at 3.2million dollars and obviously there's a list of severalitems there secondly what we called finalactions we presented us at the april operations work group meeting 1.5million dollars it consisted of the four hundred thousand dollars needed to adoptliveable wage $15 an hour standard which is a high priority across dane countyalso $500,000 staffing reserve this is intended to give some flexibility aroundclassroom size adjustments k1 originally

but really primary altogether that'sthat's there and then lastly six hundred thousand dollars was a priority actionoriginally aimed at family engagement and we later can stepped it back to justa priority action reserve if you will those actions account for 1.5 milliondollars so we've basically committed four point seven million so far ifyou're following along now the basic compensation package stepslanes base wage three point seven million at least as to this general fundpresentation that means we have used eight point four million the requiredbudget allowances the contracts and things like that1.7 million many we've committed 10.1

million dollars in expenditures thenfinally line five because we were unsure of state funding and didn't want tospend money that we might not get we put in a placeholder or reserve of twomillion dollars relative to that state budget uncertainty essentially this twomillion dollars is a hedge if we do receive $200 per pupil we don't needthis hedge but if it's if we don't receive it let's say we receive onehundred and twenty-five dollars per pupil we're going to have to make anadjustment to this budget may take million two million dollars out of therevenue side and two million dollars out of the expenditure side and that's whatthis is here to protect us against okay

can you also mention two other thingsit's may 1st the board has yet to get into serious budget you know you postfreeze and budget discussions in a postpresentation pre-adoption budget deliberations we have a long way to goand a lot of topics will come up and we think it's important to not over commitour budget resources on may 1 and then last way of tax levy management when wedid the referendum in november we told the community that we thought we couldhold the series tax levy to 4% no more than 4% if the if the referendum wereapproved we feel it's really important to deliver on that and almost theobligation on our part if we put that

number out there we want to make surethat we can live with it and we're going to we have to be careful if we spend tothe max and levy to the max and then lose state aid to the max we could putourselves in a tough situation come octoberso those are my disclaimers around the expenditure side of this budget belowthe line there's a line that divides this presentation there are two majorreallocation recommendations in this budget the first has to do with thegovernor's proposed but not official 12% employee premium contribution is jensaid we did not welcome this proposal if it were to occur it has a significantand very on for disparate impact on our

employees the most immediate impact isthat in aggregate the employees share of health insurance in this districtincreases by four point five million dollars that's right out of take-homepay which is one of the reasons we didn't like the proposal to begin withour strategy is to take that 4.5 million recognizing that the employers share ofhealth insurance goes down by 4.5 million okay we would simply reverse theeffect and bring everybody back to where they were in aggregate so four pointfive million dollars gets redistributed $4 back into employee compensation wethink it's the right thing to do this is one of these sort of state budget act 10ideas that tells you what you can do it

doesn't necessarily tell you what youshould do our recommendation is to is to offset the negative impact on employeesthe second reallocation action is on health insurance our proposal as youknow is to move from a three hmo model to a two hmo model capture the savingsand reallocate it back into wages and salaries the first of those three usesof those funds is an across-the-board 1.74 million dollar increase to wagesand salaries as was pointed out during citizen comments that goes a long waytowards offsetting any of the more severe impacts of the 12% employeepremium contribution over and above the four point five million dollars thatwere rerouting also summer school and

beginning pay are in that equation aswell which deirdre has already explained so hopefully this financial context willlend some value to the discussion to follow and i'll pause here if there areany questions if there are not i'll turn it over to rochelle to talk aboutimplementation planning and concepts like that i don't have a question foryou mike but i do want to chime in on somethingthat you said as it relates to the two million dollar hedge i was at the danecounty superintendents meeting we meet once a month to talk about a variety ofthings but often to just share notes on what's happening in our respectivedistricts at our last meeting we talked

about budget and about the stateproposal in particular and there was no superintendent around that table that isplanning their expenditures that $200 per pupil everyone is being careful tocreate some sort of flexibility in their budget it's the responsible thing to doi just wanted to punctuate what mike is saying we think not only is itresponsible but we want to be able to provide the board the kind offlexibility it needs to manage around additional possible priority actions orchanges to those actions to manage around the tax levy and to manage aroundany thoughts on additional compensation so just want to put that out there it'sabout a hedge and it's about creating

flexibility for the board to make strongsmart decisions in the coming months okay any other give it back to jamesbefore we move on to rashad thank you continue please all right so you have aquestion dean first of all thanks for the work andparticularly with join with the mti staff and over the months of discussionon this tests always we're always glad to hear that that happens i would liketo hear a couple things around the peer the peel the pos issue before i ask thequestions i also want to re-emphasize that we're just considering the healthcare plan today not the full budget so we have time to play with this budgetnot just we're going to be because that

leads to my questions i'm heard that the$3,500 figure for someone that might want to continue with unity if we followthrough on this plan is that over and above their 12% contributionbefore that's an answer rachelle is going to go over all the pos stuff so myquestion for you is it okay if she does her presentation then get to yourquestion because that's really her section of the meeting fine that workyep okay i'm i'd like to talk a little bitabout the process and procedure built into the change and the first thing ireally want to talk about is how does that timing of the change work and we'regoing to break it into two buckets we're

going to first talk about the cost ofthe change and also about the transition to the new plan so the first piece iswe're going to focus on the cost as you know we recommend changing to a two hmoplan as of july 1st which allows us to capture the greatest amount of savingsapproximately three million dollars and reinvest it into three buckets beginningteacher salary summer school and across-the-board salary and wages if wepush that off by a month or two months it impacts our savings it can impact oursavings as much as five hundred and seventeen thousand dollars per month foreach additional month that we continue under that three hmo plan because thecost of that three hmo plan is

significantly greater than that two hmoplan our savings is eaten up quite quickly if we push it off the other partis that transitioning piece we have to kind of think backwards and how we'regoing to do this effectively if we look at a july first start date we have tolook about the processing time behind the scenes the insurance carriers need asolid month to take the applications and enter them into the systems and getpeople their cards and get that information out to the doctors so thatemployees and members can start using their plan on july 1st which leaves usthe month of may to educate communicate and collect those enrollment formsthat's where this timing is critical on

having a solid communication plan if wewere to push it out to august or september we would still need to doat education in may because our employees are gone during the summer welose our ability to interact with those employees while they're still in schoolit's harder to communicate over the summer months and so those are tworeasons why a july first state seems to still work within our timeframeadditionally if we look at when school starts that's a very exciting time ofthe year and we want to focus on that smooth transition of school startingrather than having a thousand employees having new insurance so that's anotherpiece of the puzzle that we just want to

think through on a different start datewhich brings to the question can we do it effectively is july 1st in aneffective date in yes it is i want to reiterate that we can and will do iteffectively on july 1st we have 29 group meetings that can occur in the month ofmay so that employees can attend group meetings we have hundreds and hundredsof individual meetings that can occur during this time where employees canmeet with the carrier's individually to start that transition of care we have abenefits team that will be going out to all 50 schools if we go live on july 1stwhere they can meet with employees and answer their questions we have extendedcustomer service hours we will have

front desk and benefits help desksupport from 7:00 in the morning until 5:30 in the afternoon to be able toanswer walk-in questions in phone calls we will have a reb website that is readyto go live with all of the information employees need to get their questionsanswered and we will have individualized communication materials to ensure thatevery impacted employee has the information they need and the resourcesavailable to be able to make a determination and switch to gh c or dadditionally we are going to be flexible in the communicationif we find that there are needs that are not being met we will make all effort inmeeting those needs if that includes

extending meetings or having additionalone-on-ones or answering additional questions we will do that if the needarises so then the last piece is really talking about how that transition worksfor the individual members will have the opportunity to meet with dean and ghcrepresentatives to start that transition early we can have meetings available asearly as may 3rd for employees to be able to meet with the representativesemployees would need to come with some simple medical information they wouldneed to bring some of their history and they would have to have a list of thedoctors to start that process the carriers will then take it back andstart an individualized transition plan

for that member they will work withtheir doctors and a care management team to carefully transition them to the newplan members would be able to make doctor's appointments prior to july 1stto ensure that they can see their doctors on july 1st members will havetheir cards before that date so they will have all of the information neededfor july 1st additionally i want to reiterate that the carriers have thecapacity to take on members employees can see doctors on july 1stghc and dean have confirmed with us that people can get in quickly and easily forcare that can be care with a primary care doctor that could be care for aphysical that could be care for

emergency room or urgent care all ofthose are available on july 1st and then the last piece is i just want to talk alittle bit about this transition this is all about a mid-year change we also havethe opportunity and have provided in the past open enrollment for a january 1stchange if an employee makes an election and they don't feel comfortable with thechange that they have made they have every availability tochange their plan in the fall for a january first change date they couldmove from dean to ghc or vice versa they could move from the hmo to the point ofservice or back or they could go from single to family or family to singlewhatever meets their needs

and with that i think i will turn itback to dear dread mike or open it up for questionssupposed to serve the boys oh yes yes and the point of service plan is set upvery similar to the hmo plan if you elect the point of service and you visitan in-network provider you will get the same coverage as that hmo plan the pointof service rates are slightly higher on an employee paycheck ranging from adollar fifty to up to sixty dollars depending on the employee unit that youhave so the the per paycheck cost is minimal a unit for water pleasewe're going to handle the meeting and mostly all meetings is that speakingwill be done by show of hands first and

not recognize those so were you've donejust a couple more seconds the the other piece of the point of service plan isthe out-of-network piece members can choose any provider of their choice andsee that provider without needing referrals under that point of serviceplan there are some costs built into it though there is a deductible memberswould have to pay the first 250 dollars worth of services per person on thatplan and they would pay on top of that coinsurance they pay a portion of thoseclaims but there is a guaranteed maximum into that plan employees would not havetens of thousands of dollars worth of claims built in we have got the max intoa thousand one thousand two hundred

fifty dollars for single coverage in twothousand five hundred dollars for family coverage that only applies to out ofnetwork services and with that we can use a flexiblespending account through the school district so employees can save thatmoney pre-tax to help offset their medical costs and again there's thatchoice a member could elect the point of service plan now and if they feelcomfortable with that hmo plan they can make that change on january 1st we dohave that flexibility built okay i would like to know write the questions unlessyou all have something else when i am okay dean youyou got that dean has thefloor

yeah that helped a little bit so that3,500 figure that was a potential but can you tell me if that is over andabove the 12% which that's what it sounds like is it sounds like if youwere to just look at the point of service costs the maximum is $2,500 pluspremiums i i can't picture a way to get to $3,500 at this point we would need toindividually look at that case to understand how that has been built andhow those services would be built-in so so you don't think that that couldinclude the 12% it's possible well i like i like that fleshed out a littlebit more as we go forward here you just i would like to know if someone takes apos that the increase cost to them would

be affordable and that's a word thatdoesn't mean much until you put some a number to it affordable to someone who'sat a six-figure salary as opposed to someone who's at 40 is much different sothat that needs to the affordability term needs to be applied up and down thewage scale and so that's something that i wanted to get something a little bitmore detail i don't know if you can get that from showing these people i wishwell wish a lot of things but i was hoping i could get a little bit morethan the other thing the pre-tax deduction isthat only for someone that is appeal isn't it doesn't apply to all our staffit does apply to us reprint more things

in just health care too rightcorrect yeah correct so that's an option already in place that many people areusing aren't they we have minimal participation but this is a greatopportunity to increase that participation well maybe people aren'tquite aware of it yet and they should be given more information because that is acost saver you know in a lot of ways - miranda balm takes a shot at answeringyour question about point of service these a couple things um you know we wehave employee premium contributions in this year's plan and they areautomatically run pre-tax through the 1/25 1/29 planet automatic sign up forit it's automatic i think what rachelle

is having whether people would elect towell tell me is that you wait and see that again is that across across theboard for every employee yeah they get that the health care copay now is ispre-tax pre times that's right the employee unimaginable in this was are soautomatically pre-tax okay automatically and that becomes even more importantwhen you start moving up and you know from 3 and 5% up into 12 right so that'sa given and then secondly i - i'm not sure of a scenario i've seen where anemployee could be out of pocket $3500 on a point of service option but we've runa number of examples and shared these back and forth with employee reps and soon i'd love to see if i can construct

one we understand the the principle youwant to get at which is that if you have a point of service plan it needs to be aviable option you said affordable i realize there'stwo soft terms but we've always we've had a point of service plan as an optioneven now if you don't want gene unity or ghc youhave a point of service option but um but it costs more that's you know that'sa that's that makes sense you're going out of network essentially we're payingretail so it does cost more i think what we're looking for is someproportionality and what it costs now versus what it would cost next year andwe will make sure that that happens and

and we will follow up in writing on thatone last question i'll be done are you still discussing a three-year contract with the hm all yours we have rate guarantees built-in for ibelieve two years i'm sorry we have great guarantees built in fortwo years not three years at this point usually what you see is the farther outyou build in those rate guarantees or contracts your premiums go up a littlebit because they're they're taking on an additional risk not knowing what thatlong term impact will be their own insurance continues any oftheir savings he'll pay for like foot

yes retirees have the ability to usetheir account for any district provided plan so you're not providing unity butit's quite a service that will still be off yeah anyone else neither floor i mean if it's pertainingto the subdue matter yeah so you have the floor like you emotional man we havea motion on the floor yet look at it but that would be fine it's following thediscussion that's okay this seemed to be a lot of questions a lot of confusionaround i think health care is one of the most difficult things for people tounderstand i've had it all my life now

i'm not sure i understand at all and youknow one of the questions people keep asking that we've seen is this thingabout uw health providers and they're saying what i'm going to lose my uwhealth provider that's not true is it or is it i mean how do you lose your uwhe'll provide those that are seeing doctors at uw health can you give us asituation where they would lose them and in every situation i know of you alwaysyou still have access to those doctors so can you talk about the uw healthproviders and and how how under any plan or switching plans that they would losethose health providers from uw right let's talk first about the hmo planunder the hmo plan under the ghc

insurance carrier you would havecontinued access to uw specialists ghc focuses on primary care so a member withunity may have to change their primary care doctor to a ghc doctor but would beable to continue their care with a specialist at uw could be a cardiologistit could be an allergy it could be car bone cancer and even amfam children's hospital those would all be considered specialty care under thepoint of service plan it's even greater you would not have to give up yourprimary care doctor under that point of service plancan continue to see that primary care doctor under that pos plan but it wouldfall out of under the out of network

piece so there they would incur themember would incur some out-of-pocket costs for those primary care visits a little bit about the transition itsounds like you guys have a lot planned in the next month to communicate toemployees i also know are you stopping up additional employeesto make sure that this is you know that people are always on cancer communitywas our car we literally doing that yeah because i don't think you guys have likeeight hours a day lined round to to investscooby-doo um yeah so we i mean our staff will certainly this is all handson deck for us so we've had very

specific meetings and conversationseverybody in the hr department is going to be trained and has been trained onthe fa q's so there's a first level that we want to be sure that if anybody youknow contacts hr that we can get their questions answered very quickly but inaddition to that as far as the the processing goes and the volume that'sgoing to be coming in we will certainly just add on limited term support to makesure that that happens in terms of books in terms of just in our how are thesehtml's going to azure so many people thousand bar staff dubey how many clauses built into ouraround their ability to

timeframeanything protecting us we have gotten written and verbalconfirmation from the carriers that they can absorb them the contract piece comesafter this it wants this or if this is approved then we would move forward witha contract that we can build that in for performance guarantees just i havetouched on it but i want to touch on it again the cases we've heard aboutindividuals with really serious health conditions it just can you talk aboutthat just for another minute or so to make sure that we're clear on whathappens with those individuals under any of the plans that we currently have withthe serious health conditions in terms

of the type of changes they may if wewere to adopt the to carrier plan what type of impact those individuals mayhave if in yeah maybe i can give an example to help explain it a littlefurther let's say we have a member who is stage 2 cancer and they are receivingtreatment at the carbone center that's a it's a specialized clinic at uw thatthey are receiving their round-the-clock care they receive their chemo infusionsthere they spend long weekends there they end up in the emergency room whenthey have low blood counts that is a very complex case and ghc and dean bothwill take care in transitioning that personi think ghc might be the plan of their

choice because they would have continuedaccess to carbone clinic in that situation that member would we wouldstrongly suggest that member have an individual one-on-one transition of caremeeting as as soon as possible to get to the pre-approvals put in place theywould meet with that provider they would say yeah i have cancer i'm taking all ofthese prescriptions i've got 15 upcoming doctor'sappointments and i'm treating at carbone ghc would take that back and behind thescenes they would reach out to that doctor at carbone they would get thepre-approvals set in place immediately before july 1st so that employee wouldnot lose any care during this transition

they could continue to go to carbone onjuly 1st no questions asked they would be able to continue to see theironcologists no questions asked they would be able to continue to get theirscans without any concerns the one piece of caution is they would have to changetheir primary care doctor but under this type of situation they're most likelynot seeing their primary care doctor they are seeing specialists year-out ifthey needed to make an appointment with a primary care doctor they would need tochoose a doctor that is in network so it would go back to ghc and that doctorwould request their medical records from uw so that doctor would gather all ofthe information and they would do a

thorough review of that person's historybefore they even had that first appointment and so that the the medicalinformation is all there and readily at their hands the relationship would bebuilt from that point to going forward we could say the same for mental healthwe could see the same for kiddos at american family children's hospital wecould say the same for allergy and asthma those are all specialty he visitsthat take place at uw that that would automatically continue if that membergoes through that transition of care process thank you nikki and my question is what about ouremergency commitment that considered a

specialist event consider generalcoverage how was that are they pay me our rates what are our plans emergencyroom is considered in-network all the time so as the part of the emergencyroom visit it would fall under in-network and if they are if they arecommitted after that point there's usually specialty hospitals in the areathat focus on that and the insurance carriers work and know of thosespecialists and behind the scenes they put those referrals in so that it is nothere's a shortage of them what happens if it's an emergency situation and theydon't have a choice but to go out because there are no other beds themandatory sentence

yeah yeah i'm trying to think throughthe scenarios because it's because the current hospital cannot cover it i wouldassume that that falls under that referral process as well i would saythat is an accurate statement okay i want to just go back to kate's pointabout the smooth transition the contract guarantee i just think that the we'retalking about health here and people's care and we all have health care andproviders that we've gotten used to and very comfortable with we've had foryears and it is a difficult thing to change no whether you have a seriouscondition or not it's very difficult to change providers and so i just want toencourage you although i know that you

all doing all that you can to make surethis works smoothly i do want to just encourage you to all that you can if wewere to go to this to courier position that we do all you can to make sure thatwe don't incur these kinds of difficulties as a board we really don'twant to sit here two months from now and hear people coming back to us talkingabout all the issues of transition i think if if we have to go through thatas a board it's going to be a very difficult placeto be and and it was difficult for us it's gonna be difficult for you all andright so so let's make sure that we do everything we can work very hard to makesure that this this if this is the route

we take that that is really done andwith as much care and precision as possible i'm mary i have a question onthe handout with regards to the premiums i'm just trying to understand the tablesat the end and it the way i'm reading this is that the that the unit thecurrent unity monthly premium for that at the ten percent contribution level isa hundred and seventy eight dollars and 59 cents monthly is that correctand then if i'm comparing it to the tables above that which is the ghcmonthly premium at the and if i use the ten percent so to make it equal so itwould be just the comparison between the two for the pos it's actually less thanthe current unity hmo is that correct

that is correct so that someone theperson switching from unity to the pos option under ghc so they retain the samespecialist they're actually able to go out of network on their primary carephysician is actually paying no more cost in fact they're paying less thanthey currently pay that is correct so the only change thenwould be the possible for it the out-of-pocket would be the 20 up to$2,500 but in fact you're paying less and in and if you don't go if you don'tsign up for pos it basically you retain your specialist but you change yourprimary care your premiums going to go down by $40 a monththat is correct okay any other questions

all right um because i'm going to move okay sure you did this room depending onhave another opportunity most and update on the transition orsee the contrast welcome on a hot date on transition everyday if that's what weknow so yeah i mean there's a contract to be negotiated right yes you see thatcontract again what is the process look like vbs could anyone elaborate on justa minute willing to process the contractual process i guess what thatwhat they look like what it whatever the process is right so if the first i wasi'll generalize usually what happens

with a board vote is that you authorizethe staff level to act upon your your action and then at staff level we wouldenter into contract negotiations with the third party when they're relativelystraightforward we do it ourselves as they get more complex we use in-houselegal if they become very complex we would use occasionally specialty legalwe negotiate that it's ultimately reviewed by our legal and it does notnecessarily come back to the board for a final final review in fact it's somewhatunusual for that to happen the operating assumption is that we've been given ourmarching orders by the board and it's up to us to fulfill them and yeah that'sthat's sort of the standard course of

action and i'll leave it that kisseryour questions or comments okay i like to move into the recommendation phase ofthis meeting and what i'm going to allow is for nikki to state what it is thatshe like to state for recommendation yes um i know i'm newsorry i want to know here but i was working with the numbers this pastweekend and if i didn't submit it correctly i apologize ahead of time buti think that we can do both say the three option and still provide teacherbenefits and staff increases additionally here's my problem with thewhole individual staff priorities we're going with beginning teachers at summerschool which are excellent issues please

don't get me wrong however we have ateacher morale problem but we're saying that we are raising the interim salarybut what it does it automatically raise those who've been there 10 or 15 yearsdoes it deal with anything with retirees i'm not sure that's going to help moraleby saying if you stay you get rewarded it rewards those who re-enter it doesn'treward those who stay the course i'm not sure that's the message of one centadditionally this is how i see it the main issue as i understand none of thesesituations automatically give raises to teachers immediately is that correct yepyes actually would mean that for the next budget year teachers a vastmajority of staff not just teachers

would be experiencing salary yep not allothers a small number of employees who are on potentially the highest costhealth insurance plan that may just break even on because of the one-timestipend their what they're providing what is it our different approximatenumber that that group is under 100 so a small number and 200 retirees correct ori think i asked last time but was it sure and there are200 retirees yeah and my main issue is i think we're rushing this i think this isa decision i know that you guys have worked harder i know i'm new but i thinkthat this is a major issue we have 750 family plans and 250 individual plans onunity from what i looked at at the

charts those people made those decisionsof what is best for their family i get that i think my plan and the way itexplained it's not based solely on the $200 it's if we get 75 then we do onething if we get a hundred if you look right we are 100 raisins 25 you get 125goes with you it explains out how that it can be playful but my main issue wasthe fact that we're asking our teachers to have given up a lot and i think thattheir health care is something that i keep hearing from for example this isthe small stack and i am more at home of email saying we need our healthinsurance we need unity and i kind of i worry about those people and that's partof the reason i drafted the proposal i

did and i think the board for listeningokay so your shows my understanding then you're not putting a motion on the tablei do put the motion on the table to stated i said i would like to amend thishealth care session i would like to put this motion to a and the board for heryou vote and whether this is an alternative plan that is acceptable okaywe all set that as a motion to put this plan on the floor so it would need a second turn-key the motion failed to get asecond so the motion does not pass and may i make one additional i would alsoask to adjourn to hear the healthcare

decision for 15 days so we could fulfilland look at absolutely every option before making a final decision we're notgoing to entertain that motion i mean we s we would have to entertain it ifyou're going to put if i'm going out to firm floor i believe and so we'll haveto entertain it do we have a second for it but adjourn in this meeting andmaking the decision later seeing none the motion does not pass james i'm notsucking just sure nikki thanks i appreciate what you're trying to get itbecause we're all trying to get the same thing we have opportunities or and ijust want to go back in and if we to get more information work areas aren'tworking out we can fix that for so i as

you've heard there are people on theboard that need more information so i appreciate what you're trying to doi just can't support i understand it i thank you for your comments as i saidthat's the first time i've ever brought anything forward so any feedback and asa board member you you always have the right to bring forth motions and voiceyour opinions on these matters so and so we appreciate itokay we're going to continue to move right along here because we have anothermeeting after this one so we'll try to do what we can to bring this one to aclose so i'm going to move that the board of education approved offering atwo hmo model to all mmsd employees with

group yes i'll begin again i move that the boardof education approved offering a two hmo model to all mmsd employees with grouphealth cooperative ghc and dean medical group effective july 1st 2017 it's beenmoved and seconded any questions or comments at this point seeing none allin favor say aye please aye in opposition nine okay motioncarries four one okay i'll also move that the board of education reinvest anamount of not less than 1.74 million of the health insurance premium savingsinto supplemental employee compensation

as as will be set forth in thepreliminary budget second for discussion purposes it's been moved and secondedquestions and comments motions 2 3 & 4 i'll deal with how this money thesesavings that have just been realized or spent and motion to is my favorite outof it out of the forth out of the three of them um i think that we have fromvarious different points a number of recommendations for what could beclassified as new spending increased spending in various areas we have thestrategic priorities some of the required allowances are actually thingsthat i wouldn't quite qualify as allowances as required we have the$600,000 that according to this here is

the reserve priority spending we have umand we have these three items that are before us tonight one of which is onepoint seven million dollars approximately to go to existingemployees it actually doesn't even say existing employees but that's been theimplication all along and if we do pass this i think thethose words have to be added employee existing employee compensation um anincrease in starting salaries for new employees at set it for forty onethousand dollars and ninety-six cents um and what's that$41,000 $41,000 to be structured for increasing summer school salaries withour current with our mmsd teachers going

to $20 and our non mmsd teachers goinggoing to twenty five and nine msd go into 20 uh and i think that thestrategic priorities these items none of these are bad things but they are allnew choices to be made and i'm and i understand that particularly the summerschool piece that if we're going to do this we have to do this right away um ithink that everything else in terms of restructuring pay i mean perhapsrestructure you know a restructuring to pay broader than 1.7 million dollars issomething that is a priority for this board of education and in which casethis six hundred thousand dollars for research strategic priorities and eventhe 3.2 million dollars for previously

put forth strategic priorities need tobe re-examined and so in this context i'm not comfortable committing to thesepriorities without having considered them in with the other priorities underwith the understanding that you know that perhaps the summer school issomething that if we want to do it we gotta act now i realize that with thebeginning teacher pay that uh the longer we wait on that the less impact it willhave this year i don't think it's a you know it wasn't identified as apriority in november it wasn't identified as a priority in in decemberit wasn't identified as a priority january it wasn't identified in apriority as february and now come march

suddenly this is we have to do it um ifthis had been a priority of the administration i would have expected itto have been identified in november december january february it wasn't inthe same way increasing compensation more generally for our employees was notidentified in november december january um i don't like things being done thisway and i think that we're doing a disservice to our budgeting and ourbudget as a whole if we go forward with all three of these tonight okay thankyou okay so you're basically calling into question the good or not makes youunderstand we're not voting on any priority action tonight we're justvoting on the so just make sure i get

this clear we're just voting on theteacher pay summer school and the base book so that's what we're blowing ontonight's i just want to get clear that that's what you're saying that and i'msaying that these belong in the content in the context of the larger priorityactions as is as in fact the memo we were sent today indicates they do belongin that context all right okay i just want to make sure it's clear mirror youhave them yeah i i consider these to be timely items and brought to us in a verytimely fashion tj based on the state budget or the governor's proposal forthe state budget you know the 12% contribution really changed a lot ofthings particularly as we looked at

healthcare and so i think that it ourstaff took the entirety of the picture of okay what do we controland when we talk about this contribution of 12% it's an enormous lift for ourstaff and i applaud john and the administration and our staff at lookinghow we can minimize the impact of this contribution on our staff and i thinkthe what's uh what we are voting on tonight is the options that they cameout on how to address this contribution so i don't that i think there's realreasons why this came when it did i think it very much was a result of thatand so a 1.74 million is a way of offsetting those increases or part ofthose increases they have put together a

plan that addresses the impact for everyone of our staff it has empty eyes endorsements because for a lot of staffit can be a significant increase particularly if they are choosing thethe ghc option and so that's i think has to be on top of mind here and yeah ithink um i don't think we have been in a position where we could address some ofthe the issues we had the compensation study we were certainly looking at thoserecommendations i think summer school pay i mean when you almost can't evencover the cost of a babysitter when teaching summer school something's wrongon this gives our staff an opportunity also to have additional money coming into again offset some of those additional

costs and so and to the point we want tomake sure that we have the best teachers in our classroom so i think that to notincrease summer school pay is is a huge mistake from the point ofview of our students and from the point of view of our staff and then lastly iwill comment on the on the increase teacher pay absolutely necessaryfor this year now i'm sure we can we haven't had this flexibility we haven'thad this opportunity but we're making decisions that affect our kids and ourstaff for the next 20 years or 30 years i want to make sure we are attractingthe best teachers to our district our students deserve it our other teachersdeserve it and so if we have this

opportunity i think we we need to makeit and and in terms of longer term budget issues absolutely tj we're on thesame sheet of music a lot of times with with budget and you know that is that iswhy i didn't support nikki's change or motion because i'm looking long-term andif we're going to be able to make some of the changes we talked about whetherit's reduced class sizes or some other thingsthese are heavy lifts they're big things we can't spend everything this year ithink we have to be really financially responsible to build up the type offinancial strength that we need to have over the long termbecause if you talk about class sizes we

know that just one additional teacherper school there's an additional five million dollars a year so we have to ifwe want to work towards some of these big goals i think we have to be verystrategic but i think we're being strategic here and that's what iappreciate and i not only is it strategic but i think these are reallyimportant to minimizing this impact on our staffs take-home pay anymore annafirst and then kate i had a question in regard to all i just put it down thesupplemental the 1.74 is is that money being set aside to go towards existingemployees that is the simple answer that is for all employees being put acrossthe salary schedule okay i think look

sorry will you done in okay i don't wantto start i think for me coming in to what is probably oneof the most challenging for anythingdoctors i think i've certainly been struggling alittle bit with how to and for my correcting a lot about this over thelast seven teacher rama's priorities for our district right nowwe bring into our district and how they show up to school every day as aon our children experience our schools and and i think part of that surroundyou how we were team ended sense and makeour existing teachers feel welcomed and

valuesand so i didn't report it's been done the equity of the district is a costincrease on the cost per plan brings families itwould have resulted in that negative for most families cost and raising ratesright so i want to give our staffer ease i'm not sure this goes hard and when ilook at this sources and uses which i very much appreciate mike that sourcesin which is missus charts you know there's no reason for the bottom half tobe separate from the top we as in five minutes ago have three million dollarsin sourcing more in sources i don't think that we necessarily needto take are very critical priority

target action whatever we call them inhere which i believe do you do i don't think those have to come out of thebucket of our healthcare restructure it's all money it doesn't there's nobuckets in your budget so i guess i'mthat we do those we convinced to do those you say they're important we needto bring in the best teachers possible desktopbut what we didn't say what we're just doing this right it doesn't matterreally making which if i get my penciland then i guess and i suggested commit to do 127 and we hold up the differencethat are that nti i mean i took i took

mti inertial guidance on this rightthat's what i i need to do and are recommending preserve and or additional and for mestation actions that this booth can discuss it in your date i don't knowyou gotta believe so you and you thank you i don't my firsttime doing this too but i think i think i think we need to commit to doing thesetargeted actions but i don't think anything about this tells me we need totake it out or health care restructure it's coming out of the general bucketdistrict has which we are grateful to taxpayers is herepositions well tata

okay mike or gn it is just really adescriptive way of making people understand so we really don't havebuckets is really i think pretty much says nick as kate described it and soit's is really one bucket of money and and then we can also if we want to as aboard we can make some other - jess what's the salary schedule down the roadwe said is that correct what is correct so i don't you yeah i'llstart and maybe mike i i really appreciate your comments kate and ithink we're actually more in alignment that it's just subtle difference theproposal that we put on the table and what kate is i think proposing i thinkthe difference is timing of the

commitment we're saying that there is the there's timeliness around making thedecision on summer school and on beginning teacher pay that if we don'tif the board doesn't vote on it now that we essentially forfeit the the you knowbenefits of recruitment etc for the upcoming summer school term and the therecruitment season that we're currently in for school next year so right there'sa timely issue timeliness issue for us the reason the motion is written the waythat it is when it comes to the 1.7 it says what does it say james not listingnot less than right that we were hoping that signals that thank you that'shelpful but we're hopeful is that

signals the intent is that you've gotthis month you've got money that hasn't been allocated to any particular use yetwrite that up to two million dollars that reserve pending the where the thestate budget comes down plus the six hundred thousandand plus all the other deliberation that you'll go through right tj that you'vealready mentioned about the current priority actions i mean the board hasall kinds of flexibility actually in the coming monthsi think our recommendation to you is that you lock in the one point i knowwhat's wrong lisa before thanks everyone so good thank you for your supporteveryone feel long jay the one point

seven for now but you don't limityourself there and so i just i think it's a subtle difference i think what ihear kate saying is that she wants to lock in more on the front end and myrecommendation would be not to do that because i think it actually is i just idon't think it would be a responsible decision for the board to make mike doyou want to add anything to that before it goes back to the board i think thatmike my council and that would be essentially same in that a portion ofthis money that's related to the state budget of course is very tentative and ithink that in past years we've dealt with this every other year essentiallywe've dealt with this because state

budgets a two year phenomenon we've hadthe preliminary budget we've had late june adjustments to that budget when weknew more and we've even come back in the fall when we set the levy and madeadjustments at that point so my question is this meant to be very common sensewhich is spend in tandem with money that you know you have and don't let one getahead of the other and so so that's that's kind of where i'm at with it so iwould say you buy your vote you have net you now having known three milliondollars that you didn't have 20 minutes ago and you can act on that that mightnot satisfy all of the priorities and wishes of the board i think your nextstop is may june discussions around

priority actions and maybe some dollarswill fall out of that that will be redirected your next stop after that isthe july 1/8 estimate and state budget and your next stop after that is theenrollment adjustment in september so you will since that both the blessingand the curse of our budget you get a lot of shots at it it also makes itsound the agenda all year long so again and bottom line would be just make surethat your commitments move in tandem with your known revenuejames chemical on the last comment okay cuz a week we know that everyone keep inmind we do have another meeting and you know i always try to think about theentire timeframe as we talk i understand

all the stuff support so jane yeah i ijust want to reiterate that we are all in agreement that we want to do what'sbest for our employees we do want them to love coming to work and to improvemorale that's not the issue for us is justabout the timing of decision making and we want you to support you in doing thatin the most responsible way when the timing is right when we know when wehave more information about all the factors driving the budget and toteaching me to comment about our process and wonder why some of these issuesweren't in the initial priority actions list i just wanted to remind everyonethat we go through a very methodical

budget process every year and the themonth that we be slate for talking about compensation and benefits is march wedid exactly what we put in the calendar from the get-go we never held anythingback and i just i just need to say that we have followed our very transparentcalendar about budget deliberations from beginning to end so i'll just put thatup in windows function in two or three comments and then maybe an amendment tothe motion so the question is that just there seems to be in there is thisquestion of you know is this separate money is it is it the same money is itis it what's related to what the connections that are made eitherimplicitly or explicitly and the

connections that people see that mightnot exist and so the question is that kind of in response to mary's commentsis that the if the 12% increase goes through um i have heard numerousguarantees from our administration that at least for this year no person will nostaff member no current staff member will experience a cut in take-home payand so this three million dollars is not does not impact that either way how doesthree million whether we use this three million dollars or not will not impactwhether the twelve percent will willing will hit take-home pay a decrease wouldthat's it yeah by our logic we're counting on two1.74 million dollars that we just read

up today to really bolster that salaryproposal and protect all employees especially those that are in the fringesyou know from potential negative impact and the 12% employed game yeah it'snecessary integral to the guarantee it is necessary because i've seen things inwriting that imply it's not that we are committed prior to without this threemillion dollars um peril we've never said that tj my noah it is um i'm goingto set that aside for now because that was a clarification question okay okayand just comment on a couple of other things i think that you know in terms ofcompensation that uh in processes and setting aside money in some sense the3.2 million dollars for priority actions

has been set aside and has been built inthe budget in ways that we've spent it before before we have it if that ifthat's it and secondarily we did a summer school budget and there was nodiscussion of increased wages at that time so in terms of processes that ifsummer school wages were were a priority we have a summer school budget yeah wellyeah but i think that had that been a priority that would have been theappropriate time to bring it forth and and um that said uh as i said motionnumber two is mightiest whether these three of these is the one that i haveyou know zero problems with setting aside 1.74 million dollars um regardlessof its source for a increased

compensation for our staff i would liketo offer an amendment to the motion that umit currently reads it as recommended the board of education reinvest an amount ofnot less than one point seven four million dollars i would leave out of thehealth insurance premium savings into supplemental employee compensation forexit in pleased and add for current employees second this has been moving asecond alice so is that clear and we're open fordiscussion here let me make sure it's clear for me so we're taking you proposethat we take out veneers take that again take out of the health insurance premiumsavings okay as that's pretending that

there's a bucket that doesn't exist andthen employee compensation for current employee adding the words for currentemployees which is a clear which is the end which has been the intent clearlyjust okay so for current employees is in place of employee conversation now afterthe words after a potential so in addition to employee conversation i intosupplemental employee compensation for current employees so just adding forcurrent employers those three words okay okay this it's been moved and secondedany further questions or comments okay so then i'll move that the board ofeducation reinvest an amount of not less than one point seventy four to vote onthe amendment oh i'm moo cardin

oh all in favor hi-hi in oppositionmotion carries 5-0 no suppose you guys are moving in and out what can i doabout it 7-0 okay alistair so i'm going to keep movinghere i'm going to put this motion on a table of them in a minute if necessarywell that we got up there we have to pass the main motion well the one thatwas just amended yes so moved it's already been moved it just got acall the classes colorful all in favor of passing the main motionsay aye please aye any opposition motion carries 7-0okay motion number three and move that the board of education reinvest aportion of the three million and health

insurance premium savings to increasebeginning teacher salaries to forty one thousand and ninety six dollars spentmoved to second questions and comments d deidre i know that the 300 or soteachers we might hire this year not all of them are going to be rookies so idon't want anyone to think that all the teachers we hired are going to come inat forty one ninety six will be hiring some experienced teachers coming in at ahigher grade level and that anyone currently under forty 196 will bump upto that or maybe higher because they hit a plateau so i just wanted that to be bepublic and also could you send us last couple years of how many of the teacherswe hired last couple of years were

actual rookies as as opposed i know wheni got hurt i had seven years and that got counted so i came in at a highpay level then someone just out of fear and i think can we do an amendment nowto eliminate the next two in health insurance premium savings because ithink you're gonna do that anyway can we do them both together or do do them oneat a time it for me let's just do what i tell you i move that we removed the sayit t gently remove a portion a portion for them to savings so the the amendedmotion would read it is recommended the board of education reinvest um toincrease beginning teacher salaries to forty 1.41 oh nine six education creamisn't yep

drop the reinvest impression increase todo this so yeah dean just made that motion so let's make sure we have itright and a barb necessary right so the motion is that the board of educationbasically increase no reinvested three million increase and leave out the three million yeahleave out all that middle so we're recommended that the board of educationincrease begin a teacher salaries 41 so you know is that the motion is that theokay it's been moved in a second all in favor aye in opposition that was theamendment and the amendment so all in favor the main motion say i shouldactually get some guy got some

clarification questions okaydeirdre the 41 and 96 dollars the current number for people that that'sbeen raised from is is it 37 four okay so um and if it's 37 four we talkingabout 125 people that would that would if you look at you know the differencebetween the two and the phone and all that yeah so let me just make sure iunderstand your question so yeah for the difference between the folks that arecurrently at 37 for who would move to the 41 is around that hundred and twentyso that's something in there okay yes that's and but and then the peepin andso everyone who would currently be hired at any number between 37 four and 41 and96 dollars will now be hired at 41 and

96 dollars and so there's aclassification something you know it's like at ba plus six and that's that'sareas very i'm just trying to figure out what this proposal actually looks likeon the ground um that's right and uh you know i likeeveryone at the table here i think that that the teachers that we hire and theteachers that we retain and are among the most important things we do i haveno no qualms about you know staying that over and over and over again i thinkthat it is clear the compensation is part of both attracting and retainingteachers i also continue to be worried about the second part of that sentenceof that sense which is that retaining

part and i think that that balancebetween how we spend our efforts and our efforts including our compensationefforts between and retaining is delicate and there isno one right answer but i do fear that this raise given our current constraints tips slightly too much towardsattracting and then leaves less than the pull towards the retention part so i'mgonna offer an amendment if it doesn't get seconded it doesn't get seconded andon the amendment is to change forty one thousand dollars and ninety six fortyone thousand and ninety six dollars to forty thousand and ninety six dollarswhich would then leave one hundred one

hundred twenty-five thousand dollarsthat would be into further budget processes hum second and there'sdiscussion the discussion if not any any comments on that motion i like whereyou're going i think around compensation here and the thedecision that we just made a few minutes ago takes 1.7 million dollarsis it to impart offset a compensation decrease that will be experiencedbecause of repulsor sound so some people will essentially well some peoplewatches just be made whole once right it was very clear on their employmentassumedly some other big swath that people will be essentially net neutralclose to where they are i don't know

what the numbers are you guys might beable to you know within a hundred dollars of there and then there are some people that willexperience a raise is that an accurate - um what's rather a dim view on thecompensation right okay well in the so okay so i'm you know budgetaryperspective there's at least 5.3 million dollars in steps lanes and base wage forall funds all funds dji 5.3 million it's 4.6 million worth of fan base yeah so5.3 million and then another 1.7 million was earmarked just a few moments withseven million dollars for four thousand employees so on average you're lookingat about seventeen hundred dollars per

employee now it is correct it is truethat we have people on some of the fringe areas of our distribution who aregoing from one point two five percent employee premium contribution up totwelve on a family plan who work only a thousand hours a year those there arethose little pockets of individual employees that we have to address and wesaid we would but don't let that take your attention away from the fact thatin aggregate it's much more positive than than saying well most people aregoing to break even know on average seventeen hundreddollars to the good there still remains a wage impressionissue and a salary scale discussion that

isn't going to be hot tonighti would and maybe this is kind of going back to where i started i would love tosee us reserve or commit to reserving funds to have that conversation thatconversation may not go anywhere but right now if you look at ourpriority option there is no where we have reserve funds to have thatconversation we're not going to be decisions aboutbut i believe that think about our primaries reserve a pool of money to have aconversation about at the appropriate time is part ofprocess is to address real issues around

which professionthe responsible thing to do and we made a later point aside that's not so wewant to do we have all the priorities the reservoir is i just want to remindthe board that in the original set of potential actions for the three millionthere was a reserve for the compensation committee yeah it sounds awfullyfamiliar kate because we proposed it and it fell off the table purposefullybecause we wanted to be able to do the across-the-board salary increase now asopposed to put something in a reserve we have a compensation committee that is upand running and has the potential to do

great things and we wanted thecompensation committee to drive the work so i think it's interesting i mean youguys actually do have it essentially a two million dollar reserve now is justnot labeled as a reserve for something which is i think what your proposal isto call it something i don't know where i'm going with this exactly other thanto say that i like the idea that the board is invest in thinking aboutinvesting in in future workaround compensation to make us even morecompetitive i just don't know that you're marking it makes a hugedifference at this point but that's for your jessa to decide i was just going toagree with kate i like the earmarking

idea that way we know where funds aregoing to go iris again you have an excellent point and i respect thatcompletely i just i'm one of those whose what arethose stickler for details where i like things labeled and i think that would bea good idea i can appreciate that oh you're done kate okay we have anamendment on the flow of $40,000 and it's been seconded and ninety fortythousand and ninety four thousand and ninety six and it's been secondedall in favor of tj's amendment say aye please i guess it's your handsokay all opposed right okay motion does not it fails for threeall right

the main motion all the favor to makemotion say aye please hi hi in the opposition motion carries 7-0 okay allright i'm going to move that the board of education and if you guys won't justworry smithing but i'll put the motion out there before we mark word smith movethat the board of education reinvested portion of the three million healthinsurance premium savings to increase summer school hourly rate to $25 perhour for msd staff and $20 per hour for none mmsd staff second it's been movedto second questions or comments i'll move to remove remove the portion of thethree million health care insurance premium savings

thank that's it written at the foot ofeducation green non-board vids here's what i'll move it is recommend at theboard of education increased summer school hourly rate to 25 per hour formst staff and 20 bucks per hour for nine and oc step that's it move that otherstuff okay let's remove do we get a second secondokay any questions or comments on the amendment seeing none all in favor ayein opposition okay all in favor the main motion one quick comment and look whatcomes look at me that way james i'm very quick um i just wanna say that that iwent into i went into this very skeptical about the $800,000 and insteadof a little skepticism among the things

i did today was called a sun prairieschool district and learned what they pay their summer school people and umfor that based on that knowledge i will be voting in favor of this but i willask also that this year that we look at the results in both the yields of thetype of not only are these mmsd not honesty teachers but are we bringing inmore experienced teachers are we getting specialty specialists for the readingclasses do we have reading specialist and that kind a very thorough kind ofreporting on this and i understand that one year is not going to be sufficientbut i think that um but you know going this year next year and things like thati would really appreciate that

so with those um two comments i will bevoting in favor appreciate it all in favor of the main motionaye aye in opposition motion carries 7-0 is this a new motion because we're donewithout motion pardon reserved a set of money that would be guided by englishbut basically we've got a list of actions here you've got reserve fundsfor different actions i would just like your locker we will be having a chance to discussemployee conversations over the next few months so so i'd sex isn't one of themso might get to that yet so one of the things that we talked about was keepingup flexibility so once we reserve funds

and we don't have the flexibility wemight want to put more in employee conversation for example than youreserved so-and-so is this motion we really need to make difficult to guide acommittee to create options around the same salary scale andsome of the wage compression issues that we just createdwithout giving them insider to some funds that may be available okay no nojust take a couple questions from jan and and tj then we're going to move tothe motion because we really need to get finished see we have an entire newmeeting to deal with so jan you at first in tj yeah you guys know how i feelabout locking ourselves in too soon so

i'm not going to repeat myself on thatbut i do want to make sure that you know kate that our original thinking aboutreserving something for the compensation committee was not for recommendations tobe implemented immediately for the upcoming year it was i mean that is thatgroup is underway but they it was really for the next year for them to be workingtogether i mean i just i think the timeline would be impossible to pullsomething together have it be quality so i want to put that out there my questionis in the americas for dillon is that that i don't believe i believe that asthe agenda was written that we could have dedicated monies that we wereallocating already tonight to a purpose

but allocating different monies thatwere not agenda would be problematic in terms of noticing but that would be that would be mightthat would be my question is whether whether we can do this as a noticed itemand then the second question is do we want to do it but the first is can webecause if we can't then doesn't matter if we went to the joys of government so the notice the topic noticed for thismeeting was health care benefits which is part of the reason the motions orstructure to be confined to that specific circle right it was a completecircle so i do think that is kind of

beyond what is noticed for the meetingat this point because we're talking about one pot of money i know they don'treally live in pots but we were theoretically appreciate your quickcomments and we probably was a little bit outside of those bounds of healthinsurance or some of these conversations around budget so having said that willrein ourselves in at this point and i'm not even going to call for finalcomments i hope you all have gotten final comments in and i'm going to movea german sacco in favor aye any oppositionokay meeting the dinner thank you guys thank you let's take five or just go tobe one yes yes five or seven five or

seven they love you know whatever butlet's take five but um which take one you how information was shared with studentsand families makeba time on march 14th when i fell very musical familiesintroduction and teachers and then april 6 engaged elementary families kids ihave not from anyone so they were supposed to supposed to be a handout challenges buti checked it back classical middle and elementary schools and no no dirt on anyone thing second thing is just more of a technicalthing but the website for the example

program of study that we've laid out asi plug in the different class options in there i just wanted to point out thatthe project entity weight classes are full gear classeswhereas this allows for a semester of the pathway required for course so onceyou get a engineering architecture pathway option goes oh sorry i thought ilooked those pathway those courses are a year so i'm just not sure how the modelmight look with that and i think that's a milwaukee school of engineeringcurriculum so i don't know if that can be easily adjusted so does that justsimply minimize the electives or does it change the whole structure so probablyjust more of a technical question but

trying to make sure that this program ofstudy fits all the potential pathways that's it thank you thank you chris kuruc followed by chris gomez schmitz thank you very much for the opportunity tospeak it is great to see some new faces around the table and when i was runningfor school board lots and lots of people asked me questions about pathways andmany were surprised to hear that the board of education has never voted on apathways plan um pathways is going to be a majordisruption of high school as we know it and unlike the behavior education planunlike the special education plan unlike a bunch of other plans we've passed inthe past couple of years there has been

no vote on a discrete pathways plan thathas specifics about budget about evaluation about how it can impactcurriculum and current course offerings and with that this kind of a planavailable for the public it's hard to be transparent about pathways um this isgoing to potentially affect every high school student in our district to quotetonight's powerpoint presentation it has always been a vision to have everystudent in a pathway so tonight i ask you to question the administration aboutwhen about where a detailed plan public input and a vote fit inthe time line for pathways implementation and in the process ofdeveloping a plan for pathways here are

some questions that i believe need to beaddressed the first one is do we have wall to or evidence that wall to wallpathways will achieve improvement or improve achievement in our high schoolsthe second one is how will we be transparent and engage the community indecision-making about the future of high school and the high school experience inmadison not just about future pathways um the third one and this is a reallybig one for me is what does pathways cost we know there's seven hundred andfifty thousand dollars in the priority actions for next year for pathways butthere is no pathways budget that shows the full cost of this plan both to geteverybody up to speed for pathways and

also to implement it year after yearwall to wall in all of our high schools if that's where we're going i thinktaxpayers need to know this i think the board of education needs to know thisand finally we need to know what specifically we are giving up forpathways as we move allocations into pathways electives what courses will goaway and what courses will change for example i'm looking at the hiv summitour english language arts course is going to become more focused ontechnical writing and technical reading versus literature it's hard to tell umwill fine art be sacrificed to make more allocations for pathways electives um asi said before you the board of education

as well as our families staff and ourcommunity and deserve a detailed plan for personalized pathways and the boardof education should vote on this plan so that it goes through an open anddemocratic vetting in our community i encourage you to consider that duringtonight's discussion thank you thank you chris gomez schmidt followedby louisa campus hi everybody i am also here to talkabout pathways i am a parent of a memorial student in to younger studentswho will also be at memorial eventually and i just wanted to really encourageyou as you discuss pathways to continue to define a clear process foreffectively engaging the mmsd community

in the discussion and decision-makingprocess about pathways i think what's really challenging about this is thatyou have current high school students who won't necessarily be affected asthis gets implemented and you have current middle school and elementaryfamilies who aren't quite sure even how high school works maybe but they're theones who are really going to be affected by the by the changes that arepotentially going to happen there is some overlap with people who havecurrent high school students and then also younger students so i think youknow i've talked to jay a fell'd about at memorial about how do we effectivelyengage families and it's a really

challenging thing to do and so i'm goingto encourage you to discuss and make sure that that's part of the processgoing forward another part is the timeline the final scope of the pathwaysexpansion and timeline is supposed to be decided by april of next year but theyear one pathways implementation report isn't due to you until september of 2018so essentially the timeline is a little challenging because you're not going tohave the initial report from the first year of implementation before you haveto make the decision about expanding pathways and so i don't know if there'sa way to deal with that timeline but i would like to make sure that theevaluation component and what we learn

about pathways is part of thedecision-making process and then the last part is the evaluation i am happyto see this beginning to be addressed i would like to see some more detailsabout it especially so that the evaluation component is solidifiedbefore the actual pathway starts and we know what we're asking and know what themetrics are there's a couple of dots that i want to make sure get connectedand one is there is an office of civil rights resolution that has the goal ofgetting more students from underrepresented groups andin the disproportionality issues in ap courses one of the connecting dots forthat is when you start doing pathways

there's no mention of looking at howmany students are enrolling in honors courses how they earned honors i'maspect of this which is also new to pathways is going to work so i wouldvery much like to see that rolled into the evaluation process and those dotsconnected so we can really start taking a look beyond the on track to graduateand gpa and some of those other standard metrics and adding in the issues dealingwith the excellence gap - thank you thank you chrislouisa followed by kristin nelson hello my name is louisa camps i'm a mother ofa franklin elementary first grader and a hamilton middle school sixth grader andfirst of all i just would like to thank

the district and the board forresponding to many of the questions and concerns that parents have had thus farthere have been quite a few modifications to the proposed pathwaysthat we've seen and these have been noted and appreciated um however i andmany other parents still have many questions and concerns a few of whichi'll highlight here at the last instruction work group meeting onpathways the board asked the district to create a survey that was open-ended andnon-leading to gauge the interest of the programgenerally and what we got instead was a questionnaire which asking us aboutwhich pathways we wanted next not what

we thought about the concept and manyparents didn't answer including those parents of children and younger gradeswho haven't learned anything yet about pathways at all because they didn't findany fields in which they could express their thoughts as the survey wasformulated so i think we still have left many voices unheard in this process ofattaining general information and feedback from the communityit is a concern of many of us the teachers have not been brought into thisprocess and we hear in many corners that teachers are fearful of losing theirjobs how can teachers who are a major strength of mmsd be brought more intothe process is it possible that only 3%

of staffspotted the survey because they couldn't find appropriate fields for themselvesto enter there and get in way their own general interest and or questions andideas about the program so i hope that we could work more in that direction andpardon my papers here and uh many of us remain concerned about the possibilityof rolling out wall-to-wall before a first cohort has graduated giving thedistrict and board the chance to measure graduation rights and whether or not theprogram reduces the summer melt phenomenon which many parents have heardthe board described as the two stated goals of the program and finally whymust the program be wall-to-wall

mandatory for all why must all studentswho are college bound choose a nora mero lee focus vocational training program inhigh school rather than having their eyes open toall different career opportunities this seems to me like a freedom of educationissue and i think that the idea is that well this will do no harm and childrenwill be just fine if they're asked to focus in a field of study they may nothave been ready to choose but i'm not sure we know that and that that's aguaranteed fact for all children and so i think we have to leave open space forkids who don't want to choose aren't ready to choose in this community and ihope that the district will and consider

that possible going forward thank youthank you uh-huh you had twenty seconds left kristen nelson followed by susan sternthank you i'm kristen nelson i have kids at sherman and shabazz and i agree withthe other chrissa's that the board should have a lot of every sight andvotes on the pathways program but i full disclosure i am a very big fan of thisprogram the things i hope you keep in it are the team teaching which we've seenwork so well at sherman the project-based learning which we've seenwork incredibly at shabazz the hands-on experience which we've experienced inthe youth apprenticeship program things

that i really like that have been addedthe embedded honors i feel like that's a step towards less segregated honorsclasses in our district i feel like this is a program that has a possibility tobenefit all of the kids in our schools you've heard me talk about my littlesister going through the district having a completely different experiencethan my own kids going to the district and i feel like if something like thishad been there for her she'd have had a very different outcomebarely graduating our schools my concern are with the electives and that's beenbrought up if you're an avid if they're you're going to see this in your thingso added is this whole line and then a

world language they're going to be thekids in avid are going to be taking a world language colleges are looking fortwo to four years now if we're a language so that gets all filled up andthen no one gets an elective until their 11th grade year which i feel likeespecially for kids an average is going to be a problem and i'm wondering ifthere's flexibility around some of these pathways electives can you do it canthey get that information for something that's not a required elective can youtake an art class that it does anatomy can you take a business class that doesa case study in a hospital are there ways that build some flexibility inthere my fears for kids are in avid

they're not going to have a break intheir day and without being and the music and the arts you can't then takemusic and if you are taking music that's also a whole year class so thatelectives are my one concern but i feel like my grateful disclosure my son'sgoing to be in pathways next year so but i do think it's a good worthwhileprogram but i agree with all the concerns people ever raised as well sothank you thank you and it appears that susan did not want to speak i will passaround her note and thank you for for registration all right umas our speakers have noted the main agenda item tonight is an update onpersonalized pathways work we but before

that we have an approval of the minutesi'll entertain a motion to approve the minutes dated march 6 2017 oopis there a second second all in favor oh i'm sorry advisory board amayo umeddie opposed passes five six nothing and i'm not sure what's going on yet wegood okay okay um now the main agenda item put tonight's meeting ispersonalized pathways update and i believe alex and lisa and cindy will bejoining us so and as i spoke to alex during the break we've had one longmeeting tonight and we have a 42 slide powerpoint um and and you can connectthe dots forgive me meri wherever you are i'msaying no opening comments so we can get

right into itgo for it alex okay yes thank you and glad to be here this evening with youand we are going to move quickly to i think the most important aspects of ourof our presentation tonight i do do have to just pause for just like to thankagain our inca partners who are critical to the design and as we actually movefrom design planning to implementation anchor partners and we as we develop ourmo way going into 1718 i'm looking forward to bringing on uw and danecounty and maybe even edgewood so we're excited about those partnerships i againwant to thank cindy andrews team and that pathways team for helping help usto create this presentation specifically

the data from the survey that wecollected and so our outcomes are really focused on providing the board an updateon what we've learned from the survey results as well as providing you someconcrete samples that you requested the last time we had a discussionspecifically on the revisions that we made to the program of study theintegrated units integrated projects as well as some sample schedules then we'dlove to get your feedback on the revisions we made to the evaluation planas well as the timeline or i scheduling practices so you seenthese slides before we primarily keep them in the presentation as a point ofinformation for the community our

pathways definition our guidingprinciples i think that last one is going to be most important tonight aswasted access to coursework that integrates as we talked about theprogram is study as you know our pathway system is built upon this vision for ourgraduates it was great to see actually a group of 30 teachers at spring harboractually really think about how these knowledge skills and dispositions wouldactually be integrated not only to the advisory but their instructional corebased on eighth grade presentations on their portfolio today and these are thefive components of our person's pathway system again today we're going to focusprimarily on the programs of study and

i'm excited that cindy is here as shebegins to get closer to leading this work as began to transition from designplanning into implementation i'm thankful for her work that she'scontributed thus far and hopefully we will be able to answer some of thequestions that came up tonight from the speakers which we thank you all for yourcontinuous feedback pushing us to make sure that we are both transparent andcommunicative about about this work of pathways good evening nikki and katejust so you know i'm cindy green i'm the executive director of curriculum andinstruction so it's nice to meet you and um next year i'll be taking on a newrole so i'm kind of playing both right

now to talk a little bit aboutpersonalized pathways as i move into that role next year but also on some keypieces today around curriculum and instruction cindy's new role will beleading secondary programs which includes pathways yeah so i'm going towear both hats tonight um so um this first slide is just a reminder of someof the community input that we've engaged in over the last two monthsstarting with our staff engagement that we've had students and families andcommunity one of the places where i do want to acknowledge the april 6 whereone of the speakers mentioned engaging elementary families there were somehandouts

parent-teacher conferences but um it washandout so there wasn't a formal kind of presentation session so something for usto look into and then the other way that we were engaging elementary families wasjust through the community and family survey that one out yeah i want to thinkof that because i think what this was the planet we communicated the boardspecific around the elementary because i know specifically it said conversationswhich was the goal we had to make a decision because we were also in theprocess of trying to engage elementary families about the adolescent learningproject we gauged all of our elementary school pto zoar some fashion of a parentgroup to get feedback on that project it

wasn't it wasn't doable to actually doboth given that we actually had a community-wide survey and we wereproviding written materials for parents to leverage it is not the same asactually having a conversation but that does not mitigate the fact that we stillwant to have that conversation with elementary school families so they arelearning more about pathways and implications for for their childrenmoving moving forward the last thing i will just mention is that in the monthof may we're working with all of our middle schools and engaging six andseventh-grade families through current structures that they have in place bandconcerts and some other kind of

end-of-year events so all of our middleschools are hosting that to start the conversation with six and seventh-gradefamilies so the pathway survey so we had three different surveys that one out thesurvey was to gauge the level of interest in each of the proposedpathways and interest in terms of a high medium low or no interest at all also toask them what pathways we're missing what else might they want to see andthen to gather input on the future of other pathway so an open-ended questionwe had a community survey a student survey and then a high school specificsurvey for our high school staff who took the survey so the results ofthe survey we are really excited to see

the number of respondents that we had sofrom our community survey we had over 1300 people respond for our studentsurvey over 1100 student responses and for the high school specific respondentswe have 334 high school staff that responded a reminder when we're thinkingabout pathways we take into consideration some initial criteria toconsider so we look at student interest a lot of things will look at seniorsurvey data for students to tell us what they might be interested school andcommunity readiness thinking about coursework and other ideas and thingsthat we need to take into consideration for readiness labor market our communitypartnerships and business partnerships

and also the partnerships that we havewith our collegiate and our universities those sets of criteria are ones that weuse to determine what potential pathways we would consider launching into whichis where these six pathways came in from that initial set of criteria we knowthat health services is our first pathway that we are going to start inthe fall and then we had five other pathways that we were considering basedon that initial criteria these were the first pieces of information that thesurvey asked for feedback on so overall we had a pretty balanced with theexception of business and entrepreneurship arts and communicationhighest interest information technology

engineering architect and government andpublic service all very high as well business and entrepreneurship 24% interms of high interest the graphs that you will see is the dark the bold showshigh interest the lighter color shows no interest so you'll be able to see therange here you see it by respondent group sofrom parents all the way down to our students staff overall had high interestacross the board showed pretty much a leveled range parents number one fiftythree percent was information technology students number one in terms of highinterest with arts and communication and then students had no interest which waseven a higher percent than students that

had a high interest in business andentrepreneurship so you actually see that the bold color and the light colorflipped for students in terms of business and entrepreneurship we also have a broken up by attendancearea so you can see east's number one was interms of high interest with arts and communication you can see informationtechnology for lafollette arts and communication also for the westattendance area and for memorial i think that is engineering thank you but whatyou'll notice across three of our four high schools is that there were threethat bubbled up to the top so the three

that bubbled up to the top for all ofour high schools with the exception of east was information technology theengineering and architect and the arts and communication for our east attendance area it was alittle different arts as i mentioned before was what bubbled up to the boyhigh interest and then information technology and then the third for theeast attendance area was government and public service across the board theplace where we saw the least interest or no interest the most no interest thatsounds weird to say the most no interest um was business and entrepreneurship wesaw that in this student survey and we

see that across all attendance areas aswell so in addition to the five pathways that the community the parents and thestudents were able to give feedback on we also asked a question around what'smissing and so this slide obviously is not exhaustive but this slide shows youtrends of what people put in there in terms of what they felt was missing ithink this would be a good place to pause to see if there's any questionsbefore i don't know i was going to pause after that picture okay we were close toeach other and we're to pause yeah but i just this seemed to be a good and so youknow first does anyone have any questions or clarifications up to thispoint and anna on the initial survey

that went out the category that had themost interest for absent latino students was with social servicesi forget what the title was and i'm just wondering why didn't that make it outinto the survey because i did the survey and if you're given those set choicesthen you would expect that people would rate those and we would bring those outtowards the top but there were other options that were on the original surveyi could go back to that yeah all the seniors oh okay i guess i'm justquestion does that seem to be the one that was most popular for a couple ofdemographic groups and i think this program was being targeted for methodthere it did bubble up here under the

optional ones social sciences and socialwork social justice why that wasn't so i would say that given the feedback thatwe received last fall so this the six that cindy flashed at the very beginningremember those weren't the original six we need we added government and publicservice and i was based on feedback that also reflects students would have aspecific interest in the domain that you articulated so remember these are careerclusters so there's a lot contained within each of these categories so thatspecific one would be reflective in government public services which is whywe added it as well as expanding arts within the communications remember thosethat there was a discussion about how

narrow the pathways felt more people sawthem and so we want to exceed so you know particular for students andfamilies who are really looking for more of our liberal arts experience toactually find students inventive could find themselves in these specificpathways now am i the people who responded again we'reseeing a very high percentage of appearance coming out of west expo andi'm just concerned that the students in that school may not be being representedby the people who are actually taking the survey other signature mm-hmm i would saythere's actually more digging to be done

on the data so we just got the dataabout oh about a couple of weeks ago and with theirs we actually have morequestions about about the number of middle school students and families thatcompleted it and what everything is compared to elementary i think there'sstill a significant more digging to be done based on that and i think thenana's you know point about demographic differences among them and also us meanconscious about that balance between desire and diversity within pathways andmaking sure that the needs and desires of demographically distinct groups aremet and and and and that but and that we don't kind of stumble through that thatyou know as we pick the second pathway

the first pathway on demographics andmost of the schools are in most ways relatively near to the demographics ofthe school and in a couple places very surprisingly here actually and a coupleplaces a little bit off but but but in general i mean either we did well idon't think we did well picking the second pathways in terms ofsocio-economic balances and racial balances and linguistic balances andability balances are will require i think slicing the data along those linesas we pick as part of the process i think that's kind of someone theconcerns i heard from anna that was there and quality advising and qualityadvice ticket in high quality

information to personal parents alsounknowing how to engage the child in understanding what all the options areand what they need so that they can make that we reallywant students to feel empowered to make a good decision about all the optionsthat are before them so yeah okay um just to maybe throw one of our thingover the fence as you slice and dice the data i guess i'm curious what about theslice this way so if you i don't know what page number but the bar chartsright um one one way that this could look is thatthere's this wasn't a forced ranking right the way that it was the the surveywas set up

anyone could select many things they hadhigh interest in and many things they had low interest so one one way tointerpret this is that there's you know some cohort of kids that's that's notinterested in the the model and another cohort of kids who's maybe interested inlots of the the models right for lots of subject areas and i think that mightmean different things about how important the subject is versus the kindof experiential curricular structure and as where we focus our time and you focusyour time and in terms of kind of does that what does that thought make senseyes okay so just interesting ideas as youguys play with it what what shows up

there would be interesting tizzyi know pathways has tight schedule and it's very structured on individuals withdisabilities who have pullouts or special ad it has that been figured inyes i think specifically for this first cohort so every single schoolwhoo sorry every single school met with our student services team and reviewedevery single students and their iep within pathways to ensure that therequirements of their ip we're going to be met and that that that system won'tchange to ensure that was for english language learners as well as foradvanced science to make sure that if they are receiving services right theyhave to actually see those things

orestes in the pathways model thank youcity yeah i just i just want to actually i we do need to move forward but i meantin respecting everyone's time i do want to just for fellow board members thatalex has two really good question we met about this and it's on the slide hereand i just think that it's something we're thinking about is we plan outfuture pathways which is he asked me where do you think liberal arts livesamong these choices and i you know my answer is that it was probably in ithink i said arts and communication huh um but i think that that's kind of a keyquestion in our perceptions and also and are the choices we're offering and and iand you know if other people won't have

a big discussion this right now that'sgreat otherwise i just you know that question has me thinking and i wanted toshare it with the other board members so so i would say one additional thing wetalked about when when alex engaged in that conversation is that um dependingon what you believe might fall under each one of these pathways we did notdefine them in the survey so they are a little kind of guessing for people andso to your point you said i think it might fall under arts and communicationshowever someone else might so as we spend the next year which is part ofwhat i think we'll do in terms of figuring out how to get betterengagement to anna's point from the east

side where we saw maybe lack of we wantto spend the next year is in digging into this data and learning more teacheri think that's where a place will have to start thinking about where are wegoing to define these pathways that we're going to be moving forward withwhat will fall under those big umbrellas and one of those questions will probablybe like where does that liberal arts area fall or does it fall across all ofthem yep so thank you for that anything else before we go intothe next couple slides and that's yeah that's that how we can hit unfortunatelybut but we'll talk to you afterwards yeah sorry

alright so um as i mentioned this wasthe slide where people put in feedback of what they felt was missingum what you'll see on the next two slides are just a couple trends that wepulled out in terms of positive feedback as well as concerned feedback on bothends with the positive feedback and the concern feedback these are things thatwe have actually heard throughout the last six plus months and when we've beenengaging in these conversations and also areas where we're continuously refiningrevising and improving our efforts as we move forward i don't think anything inhere was surprising either from the positive end or the concerning end inaddition to that other input there was

um kind of a set of common questionsthat came up all of these do exist in our large faq but we wanted to just pulla few of them out and answer them again directly for everybody that was lookingat it and one of the speaker's alluded to the first question around will everystudent have to select our pathway and again the answer is it's always been ourvision for that but we'll spend the next year exploring and we'll look to makethat decision next fall 2018 the rest of the questions outside of those also areon our faq document which is on the website so a few of the things we noticeand again this was our initial review of the data as well and a few things wenotice is that we need to do some more

digging and investigate some of thenewly suggested pathways based on the feedback we've received based on thesurvey data and also including this stem right now we have two pathways kind ofdelineated that could both fall under a larger stem umbrella so that's somethingwe want to investigate based on the data we think we would continue exploringfour of those five pathways the arts and the communicationtechnology the engineering and the government and public service we want toengage in a school-based proposal process meaning schools can consider apathway that is unique to their school to their community to their context andthey would go through a school

application process we're working onthat criteria right now and the last is we want to better understand and reallydig into this idea of the entrepreneurship in business from thestaff we saw a higher interest than any other area so we just want to know alittle bit more and think about that one knowing that that one was um in mostplaces at the bottom for high interest yeah i can just comment real quick onthe school based option i know one of the speaker's mentioned the need toengage staff more to keep morale high and keep teachers connected to the workwhich we fully agree we did find some feedback on the march 13th which werejust the day that most high school teams

engaged the entire staff and discussionabout pathways and that was an emerging theme about wanting more time and spacefor teachers to have a say and provide input when the school-based option cameup that was where teachers really found both excitement and a place for them toweigh in about how pathways could be shaped within their school given whatthey knew about their students and their staff and so we're going to deeplyexplore the school-based options i think some of the things that you saw andwhat's missing i think it could be ideas i would generate it and if you rememberfrom the communications plan next month is where we back to clam to gatherfeedback directly from teachers about

the specific pathways like whichparticular pathways would you be interested in what are the school forteachers what are the school-based options that you think could potentiallyemerge in your school based on what you know about your students and yourcommunity's assets and strengths nikki has a question i do have a questionmaybe from the coaches kit but my question is the lay down andtime of pathways and athletics and for free correct biddy offenders that havebeen looked into because school ends at 4:30 or 4:45 bret no so students inpathways will be following this same same yet i mean i think steny mentionedearlier potentially some options about

creating zero or eight hour periods toextend opportunities for students but that wouldn't impact student's abilityto be part of at lesson and while we're talking emily's gotta be somethingrelated yeah go ahead and i'm 5 22 i just wanted to yeah i don't know i'msorry sorry it is the question about what about a student who wishes toparticipate in exactly outside of their attendance area so if i read thiscorrectly we're saying that we're going to be providing transportation optionand students can be moving from new high school to a different highschool if there's a different pathway that they want to i think the answer tothat question is if we decide to have

different pathways across our four highschools at that time we will then need to make decisions about how studentswould select another pathway in a different attendance area and what thatmight mean i don't think we have done more investigating than that at thispoint because we right now have not decided if we are having differentpathways but that would be a decision that would be made before we weredrafting the budget rolling it out absolutely yes thank you and just toclarify on that that we don't provide transportation we provide bus passes forall in all income students who live x number of miles away and then specialeducation students who have the i

haven't have it written in their iep soit's not so if you're just a non low-income student who's buying your ownbus pass to go to memorial then you would buy your own bus pass to go towest if that's the pathway you went to that would be the assumption i wouldwork under yeah we'll follow then that would case yes pacific and i think i'mjust thinking more logistics super savior yeah our north side of madisonand you want to participate in and the more you don't have to get yourbus pass and that could be an hour after busyes right yeah right when it is a choice right but if you want it to be in a stemprogram and only artisan communications

you're offered at your family mightshare that option or they may just have transportation themselves to take themthere right but just one more comment on that butthat that i think is precisely this why we've been going through the pros andcons of having different pathways at each school when you just nailed it so before we go into the next chunk of thepresentation program of study we did make copies sort of placemat size aprogram of study for all of you so we'll pass these out and you can take a lookat these as cindy talked through them making this no glory you know i'm justmaking it darker because i couldn't see

it you still on my dad franco i left it ileft see i didn't so i'm going to focus on the inside of the pamphlet i'llexplain a little bit about the outside but i'm going to focus on the inside umand i'm going to highlight two specific areas around the program of study um sosince december when you saw the first program of study we received a lot offeedback from our teachers from our staff from our community from ourfamilies around what they thought the program of study stated and what theyfelt was missing from the program of study so we tried to create more of abrochure or a pamphlet that did a better

job articulating what is pathways theschool's vision and theme and then um in the inside shares their program of studyand then on on the backside just talks about our five components of pathwaysand a little more about integrated learning so we tried to provide a littlemore context and a little more detail on the inside of the program of study thatyou're looking at right now this is a sample from west high school and thesample on west high school shows the shaded green areas for 9th 10th 11th and12th grade places where students will be cohorted together in their smalllearning community so our small learning community is where our students of 120125 students will take the same courses

together have that same group ofteachers and really have that wraparound service of a small group ofof teachers getting to know our students and a set of courses in addition to thatthose students will also have an elective in 9th and 10th grade that iswhat we call our pathways core elective so an elective that focuses on thattheme and that topic of the pathway so for this one for example health servicesexploration which is kind of a course where children will learn all about thevarious roles and everything you could want to know about health services tokind of give them a broad understanding of health services sophomore year thisis a major major change but this is a

change that we've made since the lasttime we shared the program is study the piece of feedback that we got is westfor example has this really powerful theme about health equity and socialjustice and their courses didn't necessarily support that health equityand social justice so we asked our schools to go back and look at theircourse guides again and think about other courses and so you'll notice fortenth grade students have a choice of body structures and functions orstudents that maybe are not interested in the patient care aspect but more ofthe health equity aspect of health services we take an course called lawand ethics both of these courses are a

half semester a semester long tour sohalf a year course the other major change that we made into the program ofstudy is to hold tight to a hundred percent purity of the small learningcommunity freshman and sophomore year meaning kids would take that same set ofcore courses that are all tied together with that integrated theme but foreleventh and twelfth grade we say that the courses for the pathways core arerecommended versus required we believe that about 20% of our students so 80%would stay in about 20% of our students may need more flexibility in theirschedule and may choose to take a youth options course may choose to takeanother elective outside of the health

services health outside of the healthservices pathway and may not want to take one of the choices that they havewithin the health services you will notice within those courseswe're also trying to hold on to that theme of health equity so there's asocial issues course that students have the option to take i'll pause here nikkii know you good oh okay literally we did two seconds so ishould've waited sorry i didn't the other thing that we tried to do and i'llshow you a little better on the next slide but the other thing we try to dois um we know all of this will happen through their academic and careerplanning and their advising with

counselors based on where they're goingpost-secondary but we wanted on the program a study to articulate placeswhere you would have to make considerations as you're going into afour-year college or university so this idea of many of our colleges anduniversity require four years of math so though it's not a specific course herewe wanted to make sure people understood that might be something you need to takeor that most colleges and universities require two or more of a world in whichand so if that is the case you might have to take that into considerationwhen you're thinking about your elective options so two major changes is thinkingabout additional coursework around the

health equity for west and loosening upthe pathways core to a recommended versus required for junior and senioryear i'll go through the next slide and then we'll stop for additional questionsso the next slide articulates a little better a sample student schedule so aday in the life of a child across four years and this is just a sample studentwe chose to think about a student and i heard it earlier in the public commentsoh avid student so we know a student that enters into high school and avidwould want to stay in avid for four years and that is a year-long course sowhat does that look like for a child that is in avid and it also is in thehealth services pathway in ninth grade

that would mean that the child takestheir four core courses which we know are all required for graduation theywould take a semester of their health science exploration that requiredpathways core physical education you need a year and a half to graduateacross three years so they would take physical education in ninth grade andthen the last two are what i would call periods or the last twosections are where electives come into play but for this childthis child would choose avid so that takes away their sixth period and thenif the student was planning on a four-year college or university worldlanguage would potentially also come

into play so two things to know thatdoes create limitations because we have a seven period day but i also want tonote that that is current limitations that we have right now under a sevenperiod day also we've had a lot of conversations around what does this meanfor our master scheduling and what do we need to take into consideration to thinkabout what how we create more flexible scheduling for our students if thischild also was a music student right you can't do avid or a language and music aswe know for music you usually need to enter in a ninth grade if you want tosustain that um but that child wouldn't be able to do all three of those underour current schedules also because of

the 7 period day which is for three outof four high schools he has one scheduled concert still remains yeahdifferent graduation requirements at eight different script if it's okay i'dlove for something to do this next slide yes it's on the same topic of schedulingand before you go absolutely so if we just look across i'm just going to go to11 and 12 real quick um tenth grade is very similar to 9th grade with theexception of health health is a required course at all four of our high schoolsand all of them are offering it in tenth grade so it's the difference betweenphysical education and and health but but but same structure eleventh andtwelfth grade is where you do start to

see a student's schedule free up alittle more um because you could potentially think about where thatpathways core course was if the child was choosing to take something else thatcould free up a little bit of the schedule and senior year is where moststudents schedule a free up and because we only have requirements of three yearsof science and three years of math but again it's all dependent on what thestudents post-secondary plans are and if post-secondary is a university then theymay take a no science or math but you'll see thatthere's a little bit of a slash where there is considerations for someelectives in eleventh and twelfth grade

what i want to focus on now is thatthere there's two things that we're looking into we know as a system at ourhigh school we have to make some changes around our master schedule to createmore flexibility and that's a decision regardless of pathways that we just needto do for our students in order to allow flexibility and open up more options forthem so we have kind of a long term goal of over the next two years engaging inlooking at a variety of master schedules mod system also tj um and really lookinginto what that might mean in terms of what schedule would we adopt over thenext few years but we also want to start exploring ashort-term option around on looking at a

zero period or an eighth period for ourstudents meaning is there a way to offer physical education for example in abefore school or an after school option for our students to take on that out ofthe during the day schedule to free that up for an extra course for children totake the i was going there the other is with the exciting opportunity for summerschool teachers to receive a little more pay we're really hoping to recruit ourbest and brightest in physical education and health and in our summer we offerfirst time health and first time physical education so another placewhere we can get our students to come into if they're interested take thatover the summer and that also frees up

their schedule so right now we'reexploring some of these other ideas to free up a little bit of a child schedulewhile at the same time simultaneously working on a long term planto um have a different master schedule in the next few years i got about threequestions and i'll hit them all one two three and you can answer however youwant okay first is that i'll try uh one of the speakers and also an email thisweek raise questions about project lead the way umenrollment appropriate earning credit i'm a variety of questions about that soif you can speak to and i think you're aware of all the questions have beenraised and i'm trying to member what the

speaker raised uh she said it was ayear-long a year-long course that was the issue and there was issues about theappropriateness of credit for that whether college is recognized as ascience credit and things like that so that's number one number two is oh can ianswer that sure sure all right well what was i now i have to remember allthree but no go ahead so project lis the way back in decemberwas on our program of study and project lead the way is not on our program ofstudy at this moment in time so it was a decision across our four high schools toput that on pause and to revisit that in the future and so right now it is notpart of our program of study second

question is that if it proposal if if aproposal comes forth for a zero hour or a + hour when would we see that and whenwould that would that be a proposal for the 2018-19 school year so we'reactually exploring that for potentially second semester of seventeen wellthey're looking into it we talked to our high school principals on friday and wejust want to see what possibilities are out there we have a couple differentideas floating in our head and in addition to trying to recruit for summerschool which i think is our number one priority right now um but we are seeingif it might even be a possible second semester next year just yeah the otheris that in this chart here the pathways

courses are linked with and have thesymbols for both experiential and integrated learning and and i assumethat that that the integration among the pathways core courses all the pathwayscourse would be there does that imply that that that there will be that allthe courses including history and will be experiential in nature question fouris that or is that simply just kind of that this is where experiencelearning lives in this range yeah so experiential learning can um live ineach one of those classes but it can also live outside of this school day sowe're showing the range of places where it would potentially be but notnecessarily all i think it'll be

dependent on the experiential learningopportunities what the teachers are focused on in their integrated projectand then the additional opportunities outside of school i have one comment bencake which is that i find it very very strange that we have that we have ahealth sciences pathway and a pbl but ap biology is outside the pathway so that'sjust and i understand why but i find it very strange ok so this is the firstchance that that we've had to engage with the program of study and i knowit's the experience of learning is sort of out of scope for discussion tonight iguess i was hoping to just get a little bit of insight and it's really i meanthe experiential learning aspect of this

i find really exciting and internshipsand the ability to you know get out of the school building and truly get yourhands dirty with professionals right um so i guess i'm curious about the kind ofinternship path what is it maybe that's a process question i don't know maybethat's an actual how many internships are we finding i i don't even know iguess where to go with the question but whatever is possible to provide anupdate just a short one would be helpful because it's hard to see how it fitsmm-hmm i think even more than update i would invite you or or nikita we canactually go into greater depth okay there's no so much there's so much notjust baked into experience you're

learning and given the continuum thatthat jen's team has designed along with our anchor partners about the full rangeof experiences that we want students to have often people go straight tointernships and think that that's what's right we know that's not going to happenfor every kid but when i create the opportunity for students we able tochoose that if you think about our our definition of pathways experience yourlearning is actually once kids have experiences both in and outside of theclassroom and that's not just limited to the formal ones like internships and jobshadows but actually leveraging the community as a classroom for each of thefour core content areas so we can

definitely dig into that for both of youbut all aspects of pathways because it's a lot - that would be really happyanna and then dean yeah just looking at this schedule as well around this 526 ithink i was noticed noticing that - that there is this element of internships andlearning outside of the school building and i didn't really see how that wouldfit in the schedule the other thing i don't see is an opportunity for kidsthat may need a guided study or some time i meanthe pretty robust curriculum so i've urgent concern where is the time forstudents that may need to be working within the high schools and how that'sgoing to look one other concern you know

when this was or once it's stillevolving but one thing i notice about the high school reform collaborative isthat there isn't anybody from the disability community on that workgroupand it have some very concerns about that because looking at this this alsowouldn't take into account students that may be receiving related services withinthe school setting and i also have concerns around whether these courseoptions that you have actually have special education assistance among bigoracle teachers that have the training and experience level to be supportingkids that may be required by law to have those supports so i just reallyencourage you if you don't have a

community member on there to bring inmore stem that can work on the logistics of that so that we can still make surethis is all of us thank you for that idea we'vehad discussions about the benefits of extra corrective 'ti particularly inathletics and it this is not a new idea but i think i mentioned this to you thatstudents get an error have an option of getting playhead credit for beinginvolved in a sport they work out every daythat which would free up some time in their schedule to maybe take a classinstead of fired class with when they're going to have to do work out real hardright after school so that's that's an

option that i'd like to see you considerfor two reasons one free up some time here but also we want to see many of uswant to see more involvement with our students in in athletics yeah greeting ithink they're there although that option remains for students i think there arestill too many parameters or criteria for students who are in athletics totake full advantage of the option that works where it's also taking again somore students would have that benefit of getting that kind of credit for being apart of a full participant in athletics club okay so i'm going to keep us moving thenext part which is i'm going to be

really quick but what um we were askedback in december is to actually see some of these sample integrated projects thatteachers would be engaged in our four high schools are in the process ofworking on their individual integrated projects across their teacher teams andas soon as those are in a more fully realized state we will definitely sharethose with you but what we wanted to do is just show you a few samples that wehave from other districts um to give you a sense of what that would look likeso this first page just throw shows on three three different kind of overallunits one around global health one around good eats and one around a secondopinion you received the entire um

integrated project for the global healthsummit but what i wanted to do was just show a little more detail of what thatwould look like and how it crosses over multiple disciplines and across coursesso in the green area where you see it calls out key questions and issuesyou'll notice that in parentheses it shows the different content areas thatmight focus on pieces of this project so you see english language arts you seebiology you see world geography which for us would be our history courses yousee on the health sciences so you're seeing how the teachers not only will behaving conversations together and planning together but how students willbe making relevancy and connections

across their courses through thisintegrated project a culminating event for this integrated project is studentsactually have to really think about the pandemic and put together a proposalaround their thoughts in for this integrated project so just a sample butyou have the very thick multi paged um full project in your packet from lastweek so before we turn it over to theevaluations into lisa i'll just ask if there's any additional questions aroundthe places i talked about a question what's the next steps on the selectionthe second pathway so we will be looking into that over the next year we aregoing to as we said dig into this let's

continue to engage community continue toengage our staff and we'll spend time over the next year yeah in april twothousand eighteen we'll look at that and remember april i think lisa was going totouch on this the very end but april is the point at which we'll share with youour best thinking about how to move forward is it one more pathway the nextyear maybe more than one but that final decision won't be made until the fallafter you've had the whole first year implementation evaluation which is whatwe're going to go to right now okay so i'm going to take a chunk of thepresentation around evaluation but i for i go on i really do just want to welcomecindy to the secondary team and the work

of pathways as you can tell we havereally needed to have someone with a depth of understanding around secondarycurriculum and instruction are really happy to have cindy be leading this worknext actually starting now i guess in the transition so i'm just reallyhonored to be up here with a team that has a great depth of knowledge aroundsecondary and i hope that i hope that we are conveying that we really do takeseriously reflection and feedback along the way and are integrating that intothe work that we're doing so i'm just happy to be up here with these folks atthis point so i just want to go a little bit through on the evaluation that wehave been discussing with you and our

thinking to date around the evaluationplan so this slide really illustrates our thinking about evaluation forpathways leveraging two different evaluations each with their own purposeand actually their own teams so both of these we believe provide uswith multiple lenses upon which to review and reflect upon development andimplementation of pathways so that you can see the external evaluation isreally about understanding and learning about pathways through the work of thejoyce foundation and through the work of the great lakes region of which mmsdis a part this external evaluation will complement on the left side an internalevaluation that will be led by our own

our peo department with a focus oncontinuous improvement and collaborating with the wisconsin evaluationcollaborative moving forward so working and learning with them and really takingthe lead from our internal folks in bridging these two evaluations togetherso some of the basics around what we believe would be encompassed with theinternal evaluation so the pathways evaluation will move within our regularevaluation cycle for our major plans as we have shared with you on our planneddocument when we discuss discussed that several years ago i think at a boardretreat so as we said it will be conducted by our own research andprogram evaluation staff on a trajectory

and plan that was similar to the techplan our ignite plan so we will be developing a year one report that we'llbe sharing with you on the fall of 18 and then a year three evaluation whichwill be ready by the fall of 2020 and the design will be put together andexecuted working with existing administrative data that we have andalso supplemented with new data that we'll talk about tonight as well and theresults will be really looking at results for students in pathwayscompared to similar students who are not in pathwaysso we're thinking about some draft evaluation questions in three particularareas so this slide really drafts our

initial thinking around an evaluationthat looks at implementation also student outcomes and then perceptions ofstaff students and family members so each of those three areas we've listedwhat we think some important metrics are we heard from some of our publicspeakers tonight the desire to also be looking at course offerings in terms ofadvanced coursework advanced placement honors and our earned honors model thatwe will be implementing so be assured that will also be something that we'relooking at when it comes to metrics so those three areas were looking at forour evaluation and looking to have that full evaluation plan drafted by augustof 2017 so tj i think i'll stop there

before i was just going to say that wetalked a little bit earlier about you know that the next scheduled update onpathways is is in december but i think that in some way shape or form theevaluation draft plan coming back to through this committee would be a goodidea and i think that what we have here in terms of you know what's going to bein a one year report i think that you know there's other couple you know ithink that we should probably be looking at the recruiting of the sec of this ofits well we can't actually in things but things like thatattrition um some related things but you know this is a good start but i thinkthat's seen how it all fits together in

august before the evaluation datacollection starts and things like that would be a good idea and then the secondquestion is that was a statement the others a question you label the joycefoundation evaluation is external will they be hiring an external evaluatorbecause otherwise everybody there is has their stakeholders and that's not anexternal evaluation so they create a vcr for theirevaluation okay of all for the regions that are involved in that consortium sothey're fun in evaluation but wcr is the external value evaluator yeah alright iwant to quit just clarified something that was exactly one you beat me to itand kate you had something i'm sorry

amia i can't show you a couple studentsjust had a little bit a couple questions about whether these external evaluationwould be fun these same parameters or whether there's any information providedabout that would we know until we got the report good question i believe itwill be similar i think they will actually have a lot more because they'relooking at a lot more than we would just for our internal we have he'll have noproblem making those available yeah they're looking at they're alsoevaluating how how the great lakes consortium is actually supporting thesefour regions so they're not just looking at how mmsd is actually implementingpathways they're also valuing to degree

they actually able to provide a level ofsupport to ensure that these regions were implementing well thank youstudents just wanted to compare what the differentyes would be analyzing i think long-term if you think about a longer termevaluation we would certainly want to be looking at things like alignment tostrategic framework milestones students with industry certificationspost-secondary enrollments persistence rates post-secondary degree attainmentalignment with anchor partner goals you won't see that language in ourpreliminary thoughts around metrics because those are certainly morelonger-term measures that you need more

cohorts of students to be to beinvestigating that data okay so i guess along the same lines i can't tell ifthis thing is on or not but um can you guys just talk a little bit not aboutmetrics but about what your vision for success looks like in kind of simple youknow and maybe that's four years from now three years from now whatever that'sthat's a mid term and also a nearer term just kind of simple layman's what doeswhat does that look and feel like to you what does six like what will to you begreat we we did what we were setting out to do this is just this is a successyeah so i think for me i'm thinking back to 2014 where we've got three conducteda seven-month study and we're sitting

around the table with students and theywere telling us very clearly the type of experiences they weren't having hmm butwanted to have they were pretty clear about wanting to be engaged incoursework that mattered and was relevant that they had enoughrelationships sustain them sustain them through the four years and that they hadrelationships with their co teachers not just about the relationship themselvesbut the relationship around the content and and not being overwhelmed with thetransition from 8th to 9th grade that's not super specific about pathways but wethink it is when we think about the community that's created through apathways cohort so it is about

significantly influencing andtransforming school culture that really doesn't allow students through thecracks providing a very clear strong pathway tocollege and career and not just college and career but seeing how students willbe able to interplay with those knowledge skills and dispositions thatare outlined in our graduate vision that those actually are coming to life kidsare actually not just learning about them they're actually practicing themand so we're seeing that demonstrated in kids sense of self their academicmindset the ability to think critically about themselves through their academicand career plans when they do graduate

they are graduating with a plan forsuccess and now will look very different for various students but that's realizedthrough these very different learning communities so can i just say that backto you to see if i like if my takeaway from what you just said is is accurateso i just heard three big ideas one is coursework that's relevant and thatfeels like it matters to kids and that they want to show up for to isrelationships and three is a plan leavingsecond-year secondary school right is that is that close to where what successlooks like or what's the i would i would say yes so um i guess my question so ilove that like that's helpful for me to

just understand what like what's thegoal line h-how'd and those are super hard thingsto measure and because there's a lot of metrics here and a lot of them for medon't get at and we can we can measure course offerings it sounds like kind ofa lot of work to do that doesn't actually tell us what is courseworkthat's relevant relationships or or kind of of what is my you know a vision ofmyself and my future that is successful and so i and and all of those are hardto do after one year and i think we have a responsibility to have a plan that'sthat's clear and simple around metrics for whatever you want to call themleading indicators whatever that we can

say we're on the right track after oneyear and that we're doing this rightcoursework that's relevant whatever at some n years down the road and i guessfor me this doesn't quite get there yet this feels like it's a lot of things wecan measure but i'm not sure it's the things that are the right things tomeasure to tell us we're on the right track which maybe is just a long way tosay i think it maybe is worth coming back with a you know what's the one yearmeasurement framework look like that really tells us we're doing what we wantand i don't think that's going to be easy to figure out but i think we we canprobably take a couple turns on it that

that might get us closer but you lookconfused is that is that a not clear statement what i just said it is i it isand it's clear i understand it i think there are ways we would be able tomeasure how well we're actually implementing to get there and throughhow we measure the school's ability to implement on the specific components ofthe pathways model i think you have in fact yes and i know me this does a verygood job measuring how well we're implementing how about while we're doingthe input actions but i think what i'm looking for more is what's the outputare we getting the the results that we want and i don't mean results testingresults i mean you know i get your point

about leading indicators cages yeah ithink that's excellent feedback i i get where you're coming from and this isjust initial thinking that's what i know i know this i mean the point of myunderstanding of the point of these work groups is to how they feed every time alittle bit about this kind of it's that's wrong so you know it's theperfect your dude that's very good feedback thank you i can't want topiggyback and and and and say thank you to kate and also say that that alsopoints to what we will have at decision points and that you know i think thatlike most of us that out of the three areas that identified here and fleshedout and redefine slightly by that

exchange student outcomes are to me thecentral one it's nice to know that our staff is professional can implement wellit's nice to know that um and student outcomes beyond test scores it's niceyou know some about student and family and by the perceptions of pathwaysthat's more you know that's how are you going to go forward with furtherpathways but i think that you know that in terms of making decisions aboutpathways um student outcomes are where it's at unless unless the unless thestaff pieces tell us that we don't have the capacity to do this in which casethat might be relevant to going forward so you know i think that i continue tohave this hesitancy around what will be

available in april 18 when there couldbe a wall-to-wall decision before us and you know and if you put awhile to boildecision before us and we and we rejected and asked for a single pathwayexpansion or something like that that's so being but um i continued everhesitancy around around that decision being made on that limited informationat that point tj i like the idea of coming back to the board over anotherdiscussion yeah august september we'll figure out exactly where that shouldland before we you know get into the school year i think that makes a ton ofsense we want you to be able to make the best possible decision so that's great alittle bit more right i think we're i

think we're we're done i think we'rejust about done a reminder of the teacher development the professionaldevelopment work that has already begun and will carry us through into next yearcindy and her team have been working very hard with the school-based pathwaysteam and central office support to make sure that we're moving in the rightdirection okay final thoughts comments questionsjen um just one final thought i i don't know if it was one or possibly morespeakers that mentioned this idea of poor decision-making and what that lookslike in terms of voting and i think that is a discussion that i love to have atthe board at our annual organizational

meeting in august which is when we kindof talk about some of those gray areas what gets voted on and how and what thatlooks like pathways though our general rule aboutvoting on these big plans districts typically don't vote on these big planswith the exception of a couple that are required by the state like the tech planbut we made a decision to have a board approved plan for the three kind ofmajor service areas i know that's not necessarily the best way to describe itbut services for english language learners students with disabilitiesadvanced learners and the two areas where there's either a policy or a dpimandate to submit something the tech

plan and the behavior education plan sothat is why those major plans are the major plans that they are it's also whythe approvals on pathways so far have only gone through the budget process buti mean we're the board votes on what the board wants to vote on and i just saythat because it's definitely worth a conversation about what that decisionlooks like in april to tentative decision but it's that followingseptember that is a hard decision that needs to get made by the board so i'lljust leave that there but it ad that decisions of us we moveto the budget and especially through consent agenda items on on on approvalsof contracts and partnerships and and

there's a series of those but thenthere's not a lot of clarity with that kind of you know vote um its piecemealanyway that's can i just add i just was gonna say thank you to you thisschedules are very helpful to grasp what we're talking about so and they don'tlook simple to put together either in this form or in any form so just thankyou thank you yes thank you um and thank you just tough and we have one moreagenda item tonight and it's actually really exciting and important work thatis one of our partnerships arm and arm or health and school well jessica and wealso have um actually you you know you should probably introduce yourselvesbecause we have new board members

absolutely actually new people heremando is new so and this pleasure to meet the other day hang on we'll keepthis short and sweet and so good evening my name is jess hanky i serve as thedistrict strategic partnerships director which means that i have the pleasure ofworking and supporting - well supporting central office staff or schools andcommunity entities to formalize and also monitor partnerships that support thevision of our district and the goals of our schools raimondo yep and goodevening my name is armando dundas and i work with student services i am theassistant director for integrated health and my larger role is supporting themental health continuum of supports in

the district and i provide particularlyoversight to behavioral health in schools which is what we're and wetalking about tonight before you go forward i just want to flag for both theaudience and for the board members that this is an item that will be before theboard at the end of the month for a vote of approvaljust to clarify around that yes thank you so i'm just going to tee things upfor armando really take off and share out the themost important information about the partnership itself um but i wanted tomake sure that i took a minute just to provide a grounding in the processcertainly for kate and nikki welcome i'm

thank you yes so when we bring forth ahigh intensity partnership that means it carries forward some uniquecharacteristics oftentimes serving multiple sites a large number ofstudents likely intensive can support and contact between our students and ourpartners and a significant investment both in kind and direct on behalf of thedistrict and our partners themselves and so that level of intensity does requireboard approval and so that's what we're prepping for in this conversation and astj mentioned we'll kind of seal that up at the regular meeting at the end ofthis month so oftentimes especially in the case of partnerships that carrybudget implications we try to bring

those forth to the board around thistime of year so that we can confirm the partnership renewal prior to the budgetbeing approved itself so that's the case with behavioral health in schools thereare some budget implications we wanted to make sure we had that discussion withyou this evening so i'm going to hand it off to armando to get into the detailjust one quick ad for the new board members in particular we have tenhyacinth nine nine nine now the last one no nine high intensity partnerships justto put into perspective there's a small number of these large and impactful gaspwe hope are yes absolutely so you'll see more to come in the future yeah sobehavioral health in school is one of

the many programs that we have in thedistrict that are really about addressing that multi-tiered system ofsupport in the area of mental health as you know and the materials that's someof you that you reviewed behavior health in schools at tier 3 intervention thatbasically at its core is about integrating mental health cliniciansinto our schools i think that element is really quite innovative in this programit really is about not only putting clinicians into school but it's alsoabout looking at redesigning the way that mental health services aredelivered some of the successes that we have experienced at this past year wehave expanded into two schools leopold

and mendotathis year we have served 76 students and we have done great progress inclarifying our funding model and in particular our arrangement with catholiccharities as one of its really our key partner in this process some of theareas of improvement that we've identified is to prepare for theexpansion into three schools in the 2018 19 year so next year we're stillclarifying our model looking at evaluation we're not expanding into anyof any schools but then the following year that's our plan to go into threemore and we really want to set those new schools up for success in the best waypossible we will at that point reassess

after that implementation into thosethree schools and really plan to how expansion is going to look like afterafter that we're continuing to refine or pathway of referrals into the program tobasically optimize utilization and then lastly we are actively working with oneof our other key partners a school of social work into our evaluation designwanting to really connect the data thank you for approving the data sharingagreement so that they can look at our own data connected with our program dataand really move forward in the most intentional way three final points interms of this update is that we have combined two separate moa s the one withwisconsin partnership program who lives

in uw madison their program that awardedus a community impact grant of 1 million dollars we're just finishing wrapping upyear one so we have that for another four years there has been a great grantso have a lot more solid footing so we used to have an moa for them and anotherone with catholic charities and we've combined those into one we're also arecontinuing to to look at our selections of schools one of the aspects is thatmoving forward we're going to continue working with the community schoolsprogram in terms of wanting to offer behavioral health in schools for thoseschools that are a community school basically a way of addressing the mentalhealth needs that those schools are

meant to have however as we havedesigned the current funding structure our funding for behavior through schoolisn't necessarily tied to community school such as something to to keep inmind but we're also examining our own selection criteria as well or in an incollaboration with the community school selection and then finally just toreinforce ice again that we're continuing to clarify the fundingpicture for this program we are looking at different fundraising initiatives inparticular creating ongoing and enhancing our collaboration with thehealthcare organizations they provided some of the seed money for the pilot andthey funded us for two years and we're

exploring the possibility of them doingthat for another two so open to any questions i'm just looking at the 2017 2019 and itsays in the first year is about $100,000 insurance reimbursement and then thefollowing year it's about 170 what insurance or is that referencingmedicaid dollars yeah so it's um so basically we have contract agreementswith a four major health care organizations so it is a medicaid apercentage of the students that that utilize our program are connected to tomedicaid but we essentially reimburse the healthcare organization most of themare an hmo managed but we have

contracted each of the health care'sorganization agreeing to reimburse for us for services so but it does includethat as well absolutely yeah so i just wanted a red flag because of what'sgoing on at the federal level and coral i need to be looking at that because ofthe block grant or the perv individual comes through that would belosing most of that funding for that program absolutely that that's a greatpoint in just my other question on catholiccharities i had this a while ago so historically a lot of individualnational issues that some of the groups that are impacted with mental healthalso tends to be lgbtq and so what is

our understanding with catholiccharities just because i feel as though the catholic church there are someissues around that so how does that go out yeah so so there's a big differencebetween the catholic church and catholic charities as an organization that's anonprofit organization so they are lgbtq affirmative so the mental healthprofession will basically follow the best practices and standards as to likeany other mental health clinician offers in that area yeah it is very helpful youbeat me to the question actually yeah you're not been thinking about thisprogram is how is how it links with the bep staff and i'm wondering how that canhappen particularly if the 76 or oh yes

yes had high percentages of studentsthat identify with mental health issues that they acted out on any of theseissues and if they were referred for behavioral stuff the the link there thusdoes the information follow in in some clearly in some cases where that hashappened it would more it could more likely be the cause of the event wassome some breakdown somewhere and so i'm curious if that that link is strongenough yet with our bps that this these staff and are theycoordinated in any way yeah i think they're there certainly i mean i thinkthere's a lot of of work but i think they are coordinated in the sense thatthe behavioral health in schools

clinician is integrated into the studentservices staff so um so again they are part of that student servicesintervention teams they are considered to be a resource within the school to beable offer not only for the for the treatment that they may offer if areferral is done but also be available for consultations both for again studentservices staff and teachers as well so having that there are an integratedclinician the hope of this program is that they are available to really have alarger impact that just within those students that they are seeing now inreality this is a point five clinician so one of the things that we have beenexploring is their capacity to be able

to have that larger impact as we'reneeding them on the one hand to have an active caseload seeing enough studentsso we can make the program sustainable and also provide that professionaldevelopment which is part of the role the role in there so so again i thinkthat it does have an impact but i think that's one of the arenas that we'recertainly exploring is how can we maximize that on both ends and havingthem be again a resource as our schools are responding to- yeah the behavioral concerns so again i see them as part of that largercontinuum but they're certainly on that tier three which is going to reach fewerstudents that the whole school yeah i'd

like to think more on that yeah and i'dlike to hear more real connections being made andmore of the continuum of the service of what the identification is nice and tothem that should be able to be translated into actual service that wecan give this to at the school or in the end the handoff and everything is smoothand they know what to do gap with this i think there i'd like tohear more on that so if you could think more on that absolutely one question andthen couple comments on the question is reconciling the $75,000 in the memo andthe 85,000 dollars in the budget book did which which number we go on withhere

i think the 85 number was accurate andit really just bring down brings down that amount that may be required fromadditional from the healthcare organizations so we'll be fully coveredwith the eighty-five thousand as opposed to what we have embedded here in thisepisode in this memo will be revised before we vote on it so that it's at$85,000 yeah that's follow me then just kind of comment for the new boardmembers and others is that you probably you probably noticed that in themonitoring and evaluation materials of this that there is the you know we willhave this data at the end of the year yet we are kind of making decision hereand there's always a tension between how

this how these partnerships relate tobudget calendars and monitoring evaluation calendars and neithersolution wait works for everyone at all times butthere's choices to be made around here and if you want to expand on how thoselook from your point of view jessica just slightly or if not we can justleave it at that all right i mean i just speak briefly interms of navigating and finding balance between recognizing that some of ourpartnerships carry forward budget implications wanting to be responsiveinsured that the board can take action on thosepartnerships prior to the final approval

of the budget simultaneously then beingchallenged by wanting to have urine data to make those decisions so which is whyi think tj's raising it is his hope would be to have a full years data inhand um and so what we do ensure just that weprovide the board with to support partnership renewals is not only themid-year data so here to date data that we have on hand but also any annualmonitoring reports from previous years once we get fully in this three-yearcycle of moa renewals and evaluation you'll have three years of data tosupport you moving forward plus an external evaluation once we're queued upon that actual three-year schedule so

we're still in a bit of transitionmoving forward and i think as we get went that we should definitely if wegoing to do a three-year renewal post evaluation that should be time to postevaluation um and then the last thing is that something that we talked about alsowhen we met last week was that i understand that the plan from thebeginning has been to do incremental growth in this and to get things rightand to do it right i also think that many on the board in the community inour schools and even in this building recognize that the unmet mental healthneeds and behavioral health needs of our families and our students are much muchlarger than this program addresses and

so you know i just want to say publiclythat i am fully in support of a slow of incremental growth in these early phasesso that we get it right but i hope to see planning especially when we come tothat three-year renewal arm that looks at a rapid growth at some pointsomething that that truly is commensurate with the needs of ourstudents and families and so that's my that's kind of cake i was i was maybegonna ask the question in a different way which was could we go faster um ii mean so i there is some data in here i guess i'm not sure what time frame itbut but the data that it is in here shows you know improved behaviorimproved attendance positive i mean lots

of really great stuff um which isfantastic so i was gonna ask what would it look like if we went faster it soundslike there's some history to that conversation so yeah i mean that's thatthat's great to hear i think one of the things you know it's we started with apilot of three schools and then we increase into two that we've realized isthe complexity of the funding the reimbursement processes really attendingto the needs of the staff and how they're managing again right now 20.5 soi think we're exploring the question you know as tj mentioned do we have theright model we need to make any tweaks it's 0.5 adequate i think there isemerging consensus that you know every

single one of those clinicians whohappens to be phenomenal it's working more than 20 hours a week so what typeof modifications do we need to make again in order to make that that right ithink their concerns around funding reimbursements you know when we compareto minnesota for example as a model which we looked at reimbursement is muchhigher they get reimbursed for consultation services we don't sobecause this is a partnership then we want to move sort of aligned with ourpartners in terms of the mental health agencies but i think that that'ssomething that we certainly want to look at it and i agreethe the we want to scale given the need

so was really capacity of catholiccharities correct right yeah and i think i think in conversations leading up tothis anticipating kind of that keen interest and excitement about growth andexpansion i think the intent is through the evaluation that will be completedover the next two years next time we come back to the board and with an moarenewal we would bring forth kind of our visionor that that plan for expansion to accompany the moa itself so but we'lltake this as feedback if you'd like us to maybe explore with even morton askedyeah i was i wouldn't want perfect to be the enemy of good all rightagree good to hear just thank you very

much um i will entertain a motion toadjourn mmm second advisory vote all in favoraye

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